Atheism/Theism thread

[noname219]

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I want to tell you guys a little story...

You just got lucky. It's a coincidence.

I see religion is an anthropomorphic concept.
When one cannot understand something about life, it is rassuring to simplify by a notion you can understand such as christianity or God for example.

[Reincarnate]

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I want to tell you guys a little story.

Many years ago I got stranded in a parking lot because my car wouldn't start. I had no phone and it was a neighborhood that I was not familiar with. I had nowhere to go or call. All of a sudden after sitting in the parking lot for about 20 mins, a tow truck comes down the street and sees me.

The guy said to me, "Boy you are very lucky. I never ever ever ever come down this street. Usually I turn on the street before this one every night but I missed it tonight so I made the next right. This never happened in all my 20 years on the job."

To me, that was God sending me help despite the fact he is still remaining hidden and I can't see Him anywhere.

How else can someone explain that? A guy decided to come down a street he never turned down in 20 years and it just happened to be at the exact moment I was stuck? What if he turned down the street before that like he did every night for 20 years?

He even told me "I don't know how I missed that turn. Usually it's like clockwork and I don't even have to think about it."
Obviously god exsists.

Coincidence.

Believe it or not, rare events happen all the time when you have a sufficiently large number of trials. By that I mean if you were to just blindly throw a basketball over your head across the court many many times, you'd make a couple shots by sheer luck alone. Of course, you ignore all the times you miss, and only pay attention to when you make it and say that somehow God was involved.

Same applies to that situation you speak of -- it's lucky that the guy made a wrong turn when you happened to be stuck, but you are ignoring all the other times when no external help was present when you were in a bind (which happens a lot more often).

It's sort of like when people use this reasoning:
"I prayed for a sunny day and I got a sunny day. God responded to my prayer!"
"I prayed for a sunny day and got a rainy day / nothing changed. God works in mysterious ways and must be punishing me for my selfishness."

In the end, the entire framework is totally indistinguishable from chance, which means the situation with God is exactly the same as the situation without God.

[BOSS_pjpaveloffga]

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I do not demand evidence. If an atheist had my experience, they would chalk it up to an extremely coincidental coincidence and get on with their day while saying "still no evidence for God" while God does a facepalm.

[Reincarnate]

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I do not demand evidence. If an atheist had my experience, they would chalk it up to an extremely coincidental coincidence and get on with their day while saying "still no evidence for God" while God does a facepalm.

Do you understand what is meant by the phrase "the situation without God is indistinguishable from chance / a situation without God"?

[BOSS_pjpaveloffga]

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Do you understand what is meant by the phrase "the situation without God is indistinguishable from chance / a situation without God"?

Obviously just some atheist way of discrediting my miracle

[Reincarnate]

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Obviously just some atheist way of discrediting my miracle

Okay this thread is devolving into trollbait, fuck it lmfao
(as if it hadn't already)

[Mollocephalus]

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You guys... that was obviously a troll.

[Reincarnate]

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You guys... that was obviously a troll.

Poe's Law, man.

It's seriously impossible to tell them apart anymore because so many of them actually use those arguments

[BOSS_pjpaveloffga]

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herp

http://www.freeratio.org/showthread.php?p=6863162#post6863162

[JJTrixX]

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When an atheist rejects belief in God, he rejects any source of confidence beyond his own level of reasoning or understanding. The thinking atheist will forever be questioning the origin of the universe, will be perplexed regarding morality, and will be unsure of his own destiny and purpose in life.

I know a Christian who had a friend who was an atheist. As the two discussed the issue of atheism vs. Christianity, the Christian man showed the atheist a passage in Romans 1. Romans 1 explains that so-called atheists, among others, actually “by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them” (Rom. 1:18-19). How has God shown Himself to them? “His invisible attributes, namely his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew god, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools.” The Christian told the atheist, “The reason you don’t believe in God is that you don’t want to.”

[Wayward Vagabond]

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the reason i dont believe in god is because i have no reason to lol.

[PaperclipGames]

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When an atheist rejects belief in God, he rejects any source of confidence beyond his own level of reasoning or understanding. The thinking atheist will forever be questioning the origin of the universe, will be perplexed regarding morality, and will be unsure of his own destiny and purpose in life.

I am a thinking "atheist". I don't reject God, though I don't believe in any. I wish to "believe" in what seems most reasonable to me, and yes, sometimes, this is subject to change! I love thinking about this stuff. I have written some text on it, in a mathematically reasoning method, and came to a few conclusions, one of which being that believing in a deity (and the surrounding teachings and morality) may be a positive impact on your life, but it is "silly" considering no sufficient proof can ever be given to support such a belief.

There are so many different religions, and there as so many possible religions, and only maximally one of them can be right. The odds to pick the wrong one are just too big. Just from a rational perspective: if there exists some deity or multiple deities, odds are almost 100% we're having the wrong ideas about how they are, think, and operate, because He/She/It/They would be divine, and we are not.

Any person who can think well for himself will question whether or not God exists or not - regardless of their religious backgrounds, and come to some conclusion later. I never saw the point in believing in a God, because even if He exists... why doesn't he just clearly show himself to everyone, and let everybody be happy, when he's so omnipotent? Why, for example, would he allow evil to exist? If there is a God, he must be (mainly) malevolent, and I prefer not to live by such a standard.

Now, what I think the most important thing about religion as a whole is the following. People can believe in what ever the fuck they want. Why does anyone give a shit about what someone else believes?

Atheists - if a Christian is happy to believe in God, and finds a nice wellbeing and lives the good life by trusting in God and doing things as the Bible tells them, who the fuck are you to tell them to stop doing it? Just because you think it's bull? Why burst any bubble when you don't have to?

Christians - if an atheist is happy to reject God, and finds a nice wellbeing and lives the good life by trusting in, say, science, and doing things as science and general rationality tells them, who the fuck are you to tell him to stop doing it? Just because you think he'll burn in hell, and think he's wrong?

People are so close minded. If everyone could simply accept other people's religious views without bashing about it, there would never be any problem about it.

On an unrelated note: atheism, yes, IS a religious view, and it IS a belief. Get over it. You believe that no deities can exist. It's a belief. You cannot prove that God does NOT exist, can you? Check and mate. I haven't read up on this thread carefully, so this point may be way off topic, but seriously guys, take some logic classes.

[adlp]

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the reason i believe in god is because its cool to be atheist and im a part of the counter-counter culture #2meta4u

[Mollocephalus]

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I don't know how you can possibly make such a post after everything that has been said here and not realize that your post is the exact confirmation that not only your reasoning is entirely flawed, but you're making use of the same fallacities over and over to justify your stance. You are not clever. You are not enlightened. You are the same as pshychotic person repeating the same delusional patterns no matter what you feed them. People in this thread had way too much patience with you, and given you are not a troll, your reasoning falls way below mental retard. This is not meant to be an offence, it is a matter of fact.

To sum it up, you absolutely did not come here with a mind open to accept new possibilities, as there is only one available to you, and everyone who thinks otherwise is automatically inferior, as clearly shown by the many instances where you brought up how god-less people lack for morals, are lost, have no purpose with their lives, etc. I guess if you live your faith trying to use it as a mean to do good to you and the people around you, have some connession with the universe and the divine, while conceptually wrong, that's fine. But if you happen to be actively opinionated and trying to make a difference about anything concerning education, health, government that is related to your faith, my dear friend, you are to be considered a social cancer to exterminate.

On an unrelated note: atheism, yes, IS a religious view, and it IS a belief. Get over it. You believe that no deities can exist. It's a belief. You cannot prove that God does NOT exist, can you? Check and mate. I haven't read up on this thread carefully, so this point may be way off topic, but seriously guys, take some logic classes.

(it was explained earlier why this is wrong)

[Reincarnate]

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On an unrelated note: atheism, yes, IS a religious view, and it IS a belief. Get over it. You believe that no deities can exist. It's a belief. You cannot prove that God does NOT exist, can you? Check and mate. I haven't read up on this thread carefully, so this point may be way off topic, but seriously guys, take some logic classes.

If you're going to espouse logic, it'd help to at least be correct in what you're saying.

Lack of belief is not the same as belief in lacking. To not have a belief simply means you don't have a belief. This does not mean one necessarily believes that that thing does not exist.

Atheism is *not* a religion.

For instance: Would it make sense to say that someone has an addiction if that addiction is no addiction at all?