Atheism/Theism thread

[Wayward Vagabond]

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wow jtrix you're so determined as fuck to prove someone wrong or to change there mind. what are you trying to validate

[RB_Spirit]

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Acknowledging that X is possible doesn't mean you hold a belief on X's existence. It's possible that the safe contains a water bottle, a bee nest, a cloth, a piece of paper, or nothing at all -- but it doesn't mean we believe one way or the other if something is present/what it is.

You're just bending over backwards at this point to connect the word "belief" to it in any way you can, lol.

That's true, but when you can't prove or disprove something, deep down you can't say you 100% don't believe in it, simply because you're unsure of the truth. And evidence and lack of evidence sais so clearly.

[PaperclipGames]

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That's true, but when you can't prove or disprove something, deep down you can't say you 100% don't believe in it, simply because you're unsure of the truth.

Logical flaw right there. Being unsure of the truth means that there is nothing you truly believe in; thus, basically, you believe in none of the things (where "believing in x" means "being convinced that x is true").

However, we have a list of possibilities what could be in the safe: a cloth, a paper, a bee's nest, nothing, and so on. We can label these options a_1, a_2, a_3...
Since you cannot look into the safe, you don't truly believe in any one specific a_i. However, we must acknowledge that at least one of the a_j must be correct: either one of the options is in it, or there simply is nothing in it. So, even without being able to look into the safe, you can believe something about the contents: you believe that "a_1, a_2, a_3, ... a_x is in it, or that nothing is in it" (by definition). This belief about the safe is based on the the common knowledge (belief?!?!) that a safe is capable of containing something in general. Again, the difference between disbelief and belief are (almost) non-existent.

Another example: I give you any random whole number. Do you believe it is even? Do you believe it is odd? You can't know until you look, so don't believe in any one specific (even/odd). However, you do believe that it either even or odd. So even without strict knowledge, it is possible to 100% believe.

[JJTrixX]

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wow jtrix you're so determined as fuck to prove someone wrong or to change there mind. what are you trying to validate

why atheists or should i now say "agnostic atheists" are lost.

[Wayward Vagabond]

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why

[JJTrixX]

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why

so they can understand that they can have a better life and be happy and experience something more beautiful then any science in this world can prove.

[Reincarnate]

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so they can understand that they can have a better life and be happy and experience something more beautiful then any science in this world can prove.

Do you think that something is true just because it makes you happy?

[PaperclipGames]

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so they can understand that they can have a better life and be happy and experience something more beautiful then any science in this world can prove.

I'm going to have to disagree with this personally. I think science is beautiful, and so much can be done in science. New things get discovered all the time, things are being expanded on, there is so much to explore. Most (all?) religious books are finished. Nothing new. It gets kinda boring.

I can imagine that truly believing in a God that is omnipotent, all-knowing, and still loves you unconditionally can be a wonderful thing though. It would be nice if I believed something like that.



Also, btw, just a friendly reminder: without science you wouldn't be posting in this thread, nor would you probably even be alive, and even if you were, you'd likely be standing in a field of grass fucking a goat.

[JJTrixX]

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Also, btw, just a friendly reminder: without science you wouldn't be posting in this thread, nor would you probably even be alive, and even if you were, you'd likely be standing in a field of grass fucking a goat.

Science came from God. Would you not honor your mother or father, the very people whom without, you would not exist?

[JJTrixX]

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Do you think that something is true just because it makes you happy?

It depends on what you mean. Playing ffr makes me happy. Is ffr true?

[RB_Spirit]

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Logical flaw right there. Being unsure of the truth means that there is nothing you truly believe in; thus, basically, you believe in none of the things (where "believing in x" means "being convinced that x is true").

However, we have a list of possibilities what could be in the safe: a cloth, a paper, a bee's nest, nothing, and so on. We can label these options a_1, a_2, a_3...
Since you cannot look into the safe, you don't truly believe in any one specific a_i. However, we must acknowledge that at least one of the a_j must be correct: either one of the options is in it, or there simply is nothing in it. So, even without being able to look into the safe, you can believe something about the contents: you believe that "a_1, a_2, a_3, ... a_x is in it, or that nothing is in it" (by definition). This belief about the safe is based on the the common knowledge (belief?!?!) that a safe is capable of containing something in general. Again, the difference between disbelief and belief are (almost) non-existent.

Another example: I give you any random whole number. Do you believe it is even? Do you believe it is odd? You can't know until you look, so don't believe in any one specific (even/odd). However, you do believe that it either even or odd. So even without strict knowledge, it is possible to 100% believe.

I understand what you're point is, and now looking back at what i wrote, it definitely was a logical flaw. I typed it in such a hurry, overall, i meant that their is usually a belief when theirs a non-belief. And a non-belief IMO is a belief(Definitely depends on the scenario) and again, it's just my opinion. Not forcing it on anyone, simply acknowledging that it's clearly not based on factual evidence, just a, "Belief" i guess.

[PaperclipGames]

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Would you not honor your mother or father, the very people whom without, you would not exist?

I do this. I hope you're not trying to say otherwise - you don't know my personal life. As in, I hope this is not a personal insult, because if it is, I probably would actually take offense to it. (What the hell, on the Internet? Something's wrong with me)

Science came from God.

I'm sorry, but this is one of the funniest phrases I've ever heard. Nice try though, I guess.

I can see why you could think something like that; God supplying us with whatever knowledge or something. Still, that's almost as bad as making an excuse for anything else. You got an F on your test because you didn't study? Too bad, God should've made you study then. The world doesn't work that way. Or, at least, you wouldn't find work that way, lmao.

[JJTrixX]

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I do this. I hope you're not trying to say otherwise - you don't know my personal life. As in, I hope this is not a personal insult, because if it is, I probably would actually take offense to it. (What the hell, on the Internet? Something's wrong with me)

No insult intended at all. It was my response to you saying, "I think science is beautiful, and so much can be done in science." I agree science IS beautiful, but so much MORE can be done in the name of God for God is far more beautiful.

[JJTrixX]

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Reincarnate, this one is for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EonZXFd0Afw

[JJTrixX]

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Head of Human DNA project atheist converts to Christianity. Listen to his testimony:

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qygy14tC3I