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Summary List Of The Commandments Of Jesus Christ
I. The Universal Moral Law
A. The Law Of Love
"First, love God your Creator more than anything
else. Then, love all other people the same as you
love yourself."
B. The Ten Commandments
1. "Do not put anything ahead of God your Creator."
2. "Do not make or worship idols."
3. "Do not take the name of God in vain."
4. "Take one day of complete rest each week, in honor of God."
5. "Honor your father and your mother."
6. "Do not commit murder."
7. "Do not commit adultery."
8. "Do not steal."
9. "Do not tell lies against anyone."
10. "Do not covet other people's possessions."
C. The Golden Rule
"Treat Others As You Would Like To Be Treated."
II. The Other Commandments Of Jesus
1. "FORGIVE EVERYBODY OF ALL THEIR OFFENSES AGAINST YOU."
(Forgive, and be forgiven.)
2. "YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN."
3. "ABIDE IN ME, AND LET ME ABIDE IN YOU."
4. "LET PEOPLE SEE YOUR GOOD WORKS." (Do not hide your light
under a basket.)
5. "END DISPUTES QUICKLY."
6. "WHATEVER CAUSES YOU TO SIN, GET RID OF IT."
7. "DO NOT SWEAR OATHS AT ALL."
8. "DO NOT RETURN OFFENSE FOR OFFENSE." (Turn the other cheek.)
9. "GIVE WHAT PEOPLE ASK OF YOU, AND GIVE MORE THAN IS REQUIRED."(Go the extra mile.)
10. "LOVE YOUR ENEMIES AND THOSE WHO WORK AGAINST YOU."
11. "GIVE TO THE POOR TO PLEASE GOD, NOT TO GAIN APPROVAL
FROM OTHER PEOPLE."
12. "PRAY PRIVATELY AND SIMPLY, NOT TO IMPRESS OTHER PEOPLE."
13. "MAKE YOUR PRAYERS BE LIKE THE LORD'S PRAYER."
14. "WHEN YOU FAST, DO IT SECRETLY, NOT FOR SHOW."
15. "STORE UP YOUR TREASURES IN HEAVEN, NOT ON EARTH."
16. "DO NOT WORRY ABOUT YOUR MATERIAL NEEDS."
17. "DO NOT WORRY ABOUT THE FUTURE."
18. "MAKE GOD YOUR HIGHEST PRIORITY, AND HE WILL TAKE CARE OF ALL YOUR NEEDS."
19. "DO NOT JUDGE OTHER PEOPLE." (Judge not, lest ye be judged.)
20. "DO NOT GIVE HOLY THINGS TO DOGS OR CAST YOUR PEARLS
BEFORE SWINE."
21. "ASK GOD FOR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO HAVE." (Seek, and ye shall find.)
22. "FEED THE HUNGRY, CLOTHE THE NAKED, SHELTER THE HOMELESS, COMFORT THOSE IN DISTRESS."
23. "FOLLOW THE NARROW PATH TO LIFE." (Enter by the narrow gate.)
24. "BEWARE OF FALSE PROPHETS."
25. "EXERCISE POWER OVER UNCLEAN SPIRITS."
26. "LOVE LITTLE CHILDREN, DO NOT DESPISE THEM."
27. "DO NOT TAKE THE TITLES 'MASTER' OR 'FATHER' FOR YOURSELF."
28. "RESOLVE DISPUTES IN AN ORDERLY WAY, LIKE THIS . . . "
29. "DO NOT OPPOSE OTHER BELIEVERS IN CHRIST WHO ARE NOT IN YOUR GROUP."
30. "HAVE TOTAL FAITH IN GOD FOR EVERYTHING."
31. "BE LIKE THE GOOD SAMARITAN." (Go, and do likewise.)
32. "LOVE OTHER PEOPLE AS I HAVE LOVED YOU"
33. "EAT BREAD AND DRINK WINE IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME."
34. "WASH ONE ANOTHER'S FEET."
35. "BE MERCIFUL."
36. "GO AND TEACH ALL NATIONS, BAPTIZING THEM."
37. "KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS."
38. "BE PREPARED FOR YOUR MASTER TO RETURN."
Speak for yourself my naive friend. devonin, I ask of you to name but one of the teachings of Jesus Christ listed above in which you honestly consider "immoral behaviour".
I would expect such an intelligent atheist such as yourself to understand that surely there are people in this world that do not hold true to the moral teachings of God, but yet publicly boast about how much of a Christian/Judiast/Islamist they are. Most(not all) religions preach a "morally just" and "positive" message that is spiritually enlighteneing because it does not come from man, it comes from God.
When a member of the U.S. Senate takes a bribe of $6 million to vote on a bill against the peoples' interest, but for the profit of a fortune 500 company, the entire Legislative branch is not to blame. The greedy Senator who illegally took a bribe for his own selfish benefit is to blame.
When you shoot and kill an innocent man with a gun, the gun is not to blame. The person who shot and killed the innocent man is to blame.
When a man decides to ingest a gallon of Clorox bleach to end his life, the gallon of Clorox bleach is not to blame, but the man who made a choice to give up on life and (possibly) commit suicide is to blame.
Religion is not to blame, people who commit immoral acts(that usually contradict their religious beliefs) are to blame.
Something you and many others can learn is that it is OK not to know something. It's OK not to know everything. It is OK to make mistakes. You can admit not knowing by saying "I don't know" and it doesn't make you any less of a person. You can also make mistakes because EVERYONE makes mistakes without exception. The key is admitting when you've made them because when you do, you are realizing that you have made a mistake and you know that you shouldn't repeat it, for the benefit of yourself and for others. If you can't admit your mistakes, you just keep repeating them and the world does not become a better place because of it.
Your so-called "enlightened self-interest" is exactly what you say it is, "self-interest". I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding your position but I'd rather live in a world with "collective interest" where I can be amongst friends and family then live in a world where everyone is focused on their own personal "self-interest".Last edited by JJTrixX; 02-17-2013, 05:23 PM.Comment
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You've listed a bunch of positive things, and said 'There, show me one of those that aren't positive' which is ridiculous, and unfalisifiable and has no place in CT. You want to see a teaching of Christ that I consider immoral?
Ephesians 6:5-6
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.
There's one. It's even New Testament.
You don't understand my position. Enlightened Self-Interest is a 'thing' not just a couple words strung together. The 'Enlightened' part is the part you aren't including in your condemnation of my position. Enlightened Self-Interest has no problem with your collective interest, that's basically what it is: If you acted from pure self-interest in isolation, decision to decision without considering the long-term consequences, you would swiftly find yourself in a very poor position indeed.Your so-called "enlightened self-interest" is exactly what you say it is, "self-interest". I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding your position but I'd rather live in a world with "collective interest" where I can be amongst friends and family then live in a world where everyone is focused on their own personal "self-interest".
Part of Enlightened Self Interest includes making selfless sacrifices yourself, because of the long term benefits of doing nice things for those you care about, and by doing nice things, encouraging people to be nice to you in turn. It is the secular version of 'Love thy neighbour as thyself'
There is a difference between 'it is okay to not know everything' and 'it is expected for you to accept that some things are UNKNOWABLE and also to believe them anyway.'Something you and many others can learn is that it is OK not to know something. It's OK not to know everything. It is OK to make mistakes.
And secular humanism is far more forgiving of 'mistakes' than the church is. Even the worst damnations we can visit upon someone in their earthly self pales in comparison to an eternity.
I'm not an atheist.I would expect such an intelligent atheist such as yourselfLast edited by devonin; 02-17-2013, 05:37 PM.Comment
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Teachings of Jesus Christ. Not someone setting down rules in his name.Comment
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If Paul's letter to the Ephesians doesn't count, because Paul isn't Christ, then you have to disqualify every account we have about Jesus' words or actions that weren't set down by Christ himself...which is all of them. Which of the "teachings of Christ" that were listed above didn't come from one of the gospels of the apostles, and were instead written by Christ himself?Comment
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Servants, be (continually willing to be voluntarily) submissive to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and gentle, but also to those who are unreasonable. 19 For this finds favor, if for the sake of conscience toward God a man bears up under sorrows when suffering unjustly. 20 For what credit is there if, when you sin and are harshly treated, you endure it with patience? But if when you do what is right and suffer for it you patiently endure it, this finds favor with God. 21 For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps. (Peter 2:18; 19; 20; 21)
Slaves - Although we do not have slaves per se in our modern culture (some of you would argue this point I'm sure!), the master-slave relationship clearly parallels the employer-employee relationship in our day. As in the relationships between husbands and wives and children and fathers, the principle Paul is emphasizing is that of authority and submission as a manifestation of one who is filled with and controlled by the Holy Spirit. Barclay has a note (although it is difficult to substantiate) that in the Romans Empire there were upwards to sixty million slaves, largely because the Roman citizen considered it beneath his dignity to work. Vincent adds that "in many of the cities of Asia Minor slaves outnumbered freemen". Thus practically all work was done by slaves. This was so pervasive that even doctors, teachers and secretaries of the Roman emperors were slaves! Although some masters were kind to their slaves, that appears to be the exception rather than the rule.
Was that the only teaching of Christ that you misunderstood?Last edited by JJTrixX; 02-17-2013, 05:51 PM.Comment
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Oh, you're one of those. Okay, good thing I saved myself all that time.Was that the only teaching of Christ that you misunderstood?Comment
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my entire post gets overlooked and you guys continue to validate this guys brain
do you guys really need to feel that much better about yourselves? apparently.Comment
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Couldn't make it one post without a contradiction..
Also, why can I not follow these tenets and not believe in God? Oh, that's right because I'm too busy worrying about my own atheist ass to care about anything ever. You're extremely misguided if you think that all atheists are self-serving assholes with no care or interest in the well-being of others.Last edited by rushyrulz; 02-17-2013, 06:20 PM.
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