Atheism/Theism thread

[PaperclipGames]

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It is true only when those who hold a belief don't want to interfere with other people's different way of living, and it is rarely so, considering people with strong belief have also a quite developed feeling of being superior, again enlightened, therefore, they have the mission to "bring the word" to everyone else. That's what makes religion one hell of a social stigma.

The amazing irony of this post is that you seem to have quite a feeling of being superior, enlightened, and feel the need to "bring the word" to everyone else in this thread.

just

wow, lmao

And it's not always believers that do bad when it comes to any sort of religious disasters. It really isn't like atheists are always the good guys.
The world is far from perfect. Does this thread need to be imperfect too? Apparently. It's a shame, though.

[Mollocephalus]

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Dude, this is incorrect. Atheism does not necessarily affirm the non-existence of God. Most atheists you'll encounter belong to the "suspension of belief" category. Very few would definitely say "There is absolutely zero chance of God existing."

Exactly. It goes like this. All evidence we have up until now points toward the absence of god. (besides, the common conception of god is anachronistic, naive and human-based, it should be already dismissed because of these things - if anything, "god" could be the energy flowing through the universe, or the universe as a whole itself, but that still wouldn't make it a conscious deity. just pointing out that people can fall inside the logical traps of a fallacious deity so easily, and then completely disregard the grand power of the universe itself, which is something that indeed exists. how ironic).

If all evidence that you can currently get a grasp on suggests that gravity pulls things downwards, why do you still expect to be pulled upwards?

[PaperclipGames]

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@Reincarnate: So, from this view on the word "atheist", an atheist doesn't believe that no gods exist, either then? So if you ask an atheist, "does god exists?" he will answer something like "I dunno"? If that really is how you and Mollocephalus view the word "atheist", I can take back all of what I said about the word itself.

[Choofers]

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Any educated atheist would say something like "I don't believe so, no" or "there's no evidence pointing towards the existence of one."

[JJTrixX]

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Dude, this is incorrect. Atheism does not necessarily affirm the non-existence of God. Most atheists you'll encounter belong to the "suspension of belief" category. Very few would definitely say "There is absolutely zero chance of God existing."

so you admit that you believe there is a possibility that God exists?

[PaperclipGames]

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I can agree with such a definition. Phew. :3

I always thought of an atheist as someone who'd firmly answer "No", additionally adding something like "because believing in a god is ridiculous". Guess that way of looking at it is uniformally viewed as wrong by the majority of the people in this thread, so I'll adapt my vocabulary.
though, Choofers, the way you put it... it's still very edgy and can be considered a belief anyway, lmao, but w/e

[RB_Spirit]

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The amazing irony of this post is that you seem to have quite a feeling of being superior, enlightened, and feel the need to "bring the word" to everyone else in this thread.

just

wow, lmao

And it's not always believers that do bad when it comes to any sort of religious disasters. It really isn't like atheists are always the good guys.
The world is far from perfect. Does this thread need to be imperfect too? Apparently. It's a shame, though.

Not trying to get involved, BUT LOL i couldn't have worded it better Paper... XD

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[Reincarnate]

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@Reincarnate: So, from this view on the word "atheist", an atheist doesn't believe that no gods exist, either then? So if you ask an atheist, "does god exists?" he will answer something like "I dunno"? If that really is how you and Mollocephalus view the word "atheist", I can take back all of what I said about the word itself.

That's correct. We don't know if God exists or not, because there's no evidence to suggest he exists, and no evidence that can outrule him based on how God is typically defined.

Again, it would be like if I held up a locked safe and asked you to tell me what object you believed was inside. You don't know either way -- but you're not going to believe that something's inside until you have evidence to suggest it, but at the same time, you aren't going to rule it out.

I'm sure you'd be pissed off, too, if I said that the contents of this safe prove that I can deprive you of your right to eat food, and if I catch you eating food, I can stone you to death. Even though neither one of us can open the safe, I claim to know what's inside it because I have faith.

so you admit that you believe there is a possibility that God exists?

Sure, anything's possible when there's no evidence for it one way or the other.

But this is not to give you a false impression: I think God is possible just as much as I think Zeus is possible, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or peanut butter demons, or ghosts, or a universe where Nickelback is actually respected, etc.

[Choofers]

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though, Choofers, the way you put it... it's still very edgy and can be considered a belief anyway, lmao, but w/e

You think those answers could be considered beliefs? What dictionary are you reading lmao.

[RB_Spirit]

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Any educated atheist would say something like "I don't believe so, no" or "there's no evidence pointing towards the existence of one."

Couldn't a "Non-belief" be considered a belief simply because they oppose what ever it may be that the next person is believing? Or am i just illiterate? Example: I don't believe in lemons being sour, then i must believe in something else correct? or can i be on the fence? But wouldn't that still be considered a belief?

[JJTrixX]

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If all evidence that you can currently get a grasp on suggests that gravity pulls things downwards, why do you still expect to be pulled upwards?

are you suggesting that ones "spirit" is susceptible to gravity? lol

[Choofers]

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Couldn't a "Non-belief" be considered a belief

No.

[PaperclipGames]

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That's correct. We don't know if God exists or not, because there's no evidence to suggest he exists, and no evidence that can outrule him based on how God is typically defined.

Again, it would be like if I held up a locked safe and asked you to tell me what object you believed was inside. You don't know either way -- but you're not going to believe that something's inside until you have evidence to suggest it, but at the same time, you aren't going to rule it out.

I'm sure you'd be pissed off, too, if I said that the contents of this safe prove that I can deprive you of your right to eat food, and if I catch you eating food, I can stone you to death. Even though neither one of us can open the safe, I claim to know what's inside it because I have faith.




Sure, anything's possible when there's no evidence for it one way or the other.

But this is not to give you a false impression: I think God is possible just as much as I think Zeus is possible, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or peanut butter demons, or ghosts, or a universe where Nickelback is actually respected, etc.

I can completely relate to this post, and I'm glad that that's cleared out now. Thanks.

@Choofers: "I don't believe X" can be interpreted as "I believe in not X" (linguistically speaking; logically speaking this is not always right), or be translated to an "I believe in Y" (where Y is something like "anything but X") and mean the same thing; basically, an actual disbelief is a version of a belief. But then that's interpretation and I'm fine with you thinking otherwise. It's one of those things about definitions that don't really matter, so, yeah. *shrug*

[JJTrixX]

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That's correct. We don't know if God exists or not, because there's no evidence to suggest he exists, and no evidence that can outrule him based on how God is typically defined.


Sure, anything's possible when there's no evidence for it one way or the other.

Since you admit that you believe there is a possibility that God exists, you are also confirming that your form of atheism IS a belief. Although you claim to be an atheist,(like most self-proclaimed atheists do) you really aren't. You are agnostic.

[Reincarnate]

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Since you admit that you believe there is a possibility that God exists, you are also confirming that your form of atheism IS a belief. Although you claim to be an atheist,(like most self-proclaimed atheists do) you really aren't. You are agnostic.

Acknowledging that X is possible doesn't mean you hold a belief on X's existence. It's possible that the safe contains a water bottle, a bee nest, a cloth, a piece of paper, or nothing at all -- but it doesn't mean we believe one way or the other if something is present/what it is.

You're just bending over backwards at this point to connect the word "belief" to it in any way you can, lol.

EDIT: I am an agnostic atheist.