Official Tier Point System Thread

[rushyrulz]

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I'm not gonna lie, but I bet half of the newbies don't even know what TPs are.
Also +1 to Tier 5 suggestion.

They don't know what TPs are now because it's too unfathomable. It would be more known if there were something they could achieve.

[TC_Halogen]

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I'm not gonna lie, but I bet half of the newbies don't even know what TPs are.
Also +1 to Tier 5 suggestion.

It's heavily community-oriented; you have to look in the forums only to figure out that you have to play a ton of songs.

If something like this would be implemented as a display within profiles (like a tier point point display similar to points/MP level, etc. that would link to the tier page), people would notice it when viewing their profiles and wonder what it is.

[aperson]

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How about instead of yelling at each other we take this in a productive direction.

Currently there are 120 songs that have Tier Points. The lowest value awarded for any one of them is 4 points. I think we have room to add more songs onto the lower difficulties that are worth 3, 2, or just 1 point. I think it would be reasonable if a handful of 10s were given 3 point scales for tier points, and some 8s and 9s were given 2 or 1 points.

If you agree with this, what are some 8s / 9s / 10s you would like to see included, what are the point requirements for them, and why?

If you disagree with this, what do you think we would do instead? Our goal here is simplicity and the ability to extend the range of players which can start earning skill points.

[Plan_Bsk81127]

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He's also considering himself as "not a top player", but if the tier point system is "top players/elite players", then he's on it.

I know what its like to be a low level player, obviously I have been there and I know from being there that I didnt worry about how well others did and what they had but instead worry more about improving myself. The lower level players have come to the point where like if we went back to when Otaku Oni token was released we would have a whole bitchfit thread on how its unfair that they have a token only top players can get. Nobody around here can be pleased anymore and its tweaking me to see that. =\

[psychoangel691]

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Well thats because Im not going to sit there and sweet talk my posts out. I get straight to my point. That probably is what puts the negative tone on it which I dont intend to do, but I dont like making my posts all mushy mushy, I say what I have to say and leave it at that. =\

And there is always people telling others good scores in the thread, but like I mentioned in the war about the scores thread, the lack of the effort for younger players to post their scores make it their scores be overtaken by the people who are posting actively which is the top players. People always expect a comment on their scores and when there isnt one they feel like they arent noticed. A score can be viewed and appreciated, doesnt need to be commented for it to be noticed.

I'm not saying be mushy, but if people feel like they are being attacked it's generally gonna start an argument. I usually try my best to get my point across but not "offend" either. It doesn't always work but hey we can only try our best.

The scores thread thing to me isn't really a big issue I mean so what if there's two threads now it's not hurting anything. And there were people trying to post their scores in the score thread but it was like everytime one of us lower people posted something someone was posting some OMG score. So it was kinda like a feeling of not belonging because there were always such amazing scores being posted that it felt like no one was going to notice these lower scores anyways. So people stopped posting there. Now the newer people have their thread where they're doing their thing and then there's still the FFR scores thread where whoever can post that feels like it.

[TC_Halogen]

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I know what its like to be a low level player, obviously I have been there and I know from being there that I didnt worry about how well others did and what they had but instead worry more about improving myself. The lower level players have come to the point where like if we went back to when Otaku Oni token was released we would have a whole bitchfit thread on how its unfair that they have a token only top players can get. Nobody around here can be pleased anymore and its tweaking me to see that. =\

The difference from the [Oni] issue is that there's actually things in this aspect of the game (skill tokens/achievement tokens) that are actually attainable by those who are just starting or by those who are somewhat seasoned. Tiers on the other hand, are considerably more difficult. I understand that it was a top-player-exclusive thing, but there really shouldn't be something that completely shoves away newer players. Everything should be balanced: for every hard chart, there's easier one; for every difficult token, there's an easier one; for every difficult tier achievement, there's...

...there's nothing.

And my post that you quoted was referring to kmay, not you.

[KotHN]

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words

okay, I guess I see how you implied that. I didn't read all his posts carefully enough.

[One Winged Angel]

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Our goal here is simplicity and the ability to extend the range of players which can start earning skill points.

well that puts an end to four or five people's arguments

[Wineandbread]

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Maybe you should code tier points into the engine then to make people aware of their existence
Although it'd only show for certain songs which would be kinda weird


Also the ****ing drama on here is ludicrous seriously, be mature please.

If there are a lot of people discontent with the system, then perhaps we need more people working on tier points. Set up a panel, like file judging, for tier points for constant readjustment and/or song consideration or some ****. I feel like jimerax and ilu are both being wrongfully blamed by certain people on this thread.

$0.02

[rushyrulz]

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I liked iironiic's idea foremost, but if the plan is just to add some easier songs to the TP list, I would suggest

8s:
Horizon Remix
Brooks Was Here [Heavy]
Mercury Lamp
Maple Leaf Rag

9s:
Etude to a Dragon
Ivaltek
{Rose}
I am Maid

10s:
Infiltration
Lawn Wake IV
The Games We Played Part 1
Monstrous Turtles!

Just to name a few. (Didn't check the current TP list, sorry if any of those 10s are already on there)

[psychoangel691]

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How about instead of yelling at each other we take this in a productive direction.

Currently there are 120 songs that have Tier Points. The lowest value awarded for any one of them is 4 points. I think we have room to add more songs onto the lower difficulties that are worth 3, 2, or just 1 point. I think it would be reasonable if a handful of 10s were given 3 point scales for tier points, and some 8s and 9s were given 2 or 1 points.

If you agree with this, what are some 8s / 9s / 10s you would like to see included, what are the point requirements for them, and why?

If you disagree with this, what do you think we would do instead? Our goal here is simplicity and the ability to extend the range of players which can start earning skill points.

This got pushed back a page wanted to bump it. I don't have an exact in mind atm but I def would like to see tiers be a little more obtainable then they are now. I mean for me it seems like impossible to achive any now.

[kmay]

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8's should not be on the list. 9's can get on the list though, maybe songs like ivaltek and torinouta... borderline 10's.


someone tell me what would the point of tier points be if it included everyone difficulty of song. it would just be a glorifed level rank. ._.

[bmah]

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If you agree with this, what are some 8s / 9s / 10s you would like to see included, what are the point requirements for them, and why?

I know that certain songs give people trouble because of some sort of gimmick, pattern, or concept. An example of an 8 is MAX Forever, which is simply due to two things: song length and patterns near the END of the song (one-handed trills). An example of a 9 is Fei Longer; the jacks are the main feature which makes this a frequently-played song to score on.

I really don't have any sort of rationale for points right now, so I'm unsure as to whether Fei Longer for instance deserves 2 vs 3 tier points at max.

@anyone: just flip through the scores and amateur scores threads and see what songs are "hot" to play and score on. You'll get a general idea of the songs that give people trouble. I'd say it also helps to look at the R1 difficulty thread and look at those songs that are borderline between two difficulties - they're often hotly debated.

[TC_Halogen]

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@ kmay

It's not including every difficulty, it's including the top 4 (5 with 13s) difficulties, and only a select few. It makes the tier list more sizable and more easily achievable.

@ bmah

Fei Longer, Starlight, Legendary Etude, The Games We Played Part 5 - all songs that are borderline and should be contested, haha

[bmah]

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Otter's Dance, etc.