Official Tier Point System Thread

[star reaper]

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quick warning what i say here might be completely stupid but here goes. Well an idea i had for tier points would be there are say 5 types of levels with tiers in that level so lets say something like beginner level in the tier system would have 4 tier levels. So basically you could be tier one in beginner. Each tier has about 500 tier points once you get about some where like 90% or so maybe even as low as 80% which would put you in what i would consider tier 1 you can unlock the ability to gain points for the higher tier level set. and a good way to make the lower tiers help the higher ones say the masters tier will gain (if unlocked) 1 point for every ten tier points gained in the pro tier. another thing that would be nice is if skill tokens could go for tier points like ever skill token you unlock gives with it one tier point. What my idea for the skill tokens adding to tier points would be skill tokens when unlocked, such as ONI, would go to one of the higher levels or St. scarhand would give one tier point to the god level. honestly i think for the highest tier level (such as the god level) there should be a tier 0 only for that level. It would make it that levels special little achievement.

[Xayphon]

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I mean, look how much we're going back and forth over the current list, and you want to make MORE lists?!

Let's say a more organized list of the current list, not more lists

[rushyrulz]

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Screw multiple tier points for 1 song like in the current system. We should set up requirements like basic skill token requirements (FC, AAA, certain amount of goods) that are worth ONE tier point each that you can check off your list and move on from. I'm not saying that there can't be multiple tier points for any given song, I'm saying for instance that FC Maple Leaf Rag could be an advanced tier requirement and AAA Maple Leaf Rag could be a master tier requirement, each worth one tier point in their respective tier levels.

I don't really agree with star reaper with the whole "unlock the next tier" idea. However, there could be a line drawn in the sand where you 'graduate' from a certain tier and gain its respective title, however, graduation from the lower tiers wouldn't be necessary to earn points in the higher tiers (kind of like testing out of algebra). Here are some of my ideas for forum titles that could be awarded based on tier points:

Assuming there are 5 tier levels:

FFR Novice - Hasn't graduated from the beginner tier yet (Tier 4).
FFR Player - Has graduated from Tier 4
FFR Amateur - Has graduated from Tier 3
FFR Pro - Has graduated from Tier 2
FFR Master - Has graduated from Tier 1
FFR Guru/God - Has graduated from Tier 0

The line for 'graduating' from a tier would need to be drawn after the list is made of course, but I'd say above 80% in any given tier would be a good qualifier.

That's all I'll say for now, but hey if we're going to redo the tier point system, lets completely redo it.

[krunkykai22]

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I'll post with a much more detailed opinion in a little while, but to respond to you Rushy, that would just make a bit more difficult. I think the multiple points are perfect, because that makes people reach a more higher level on a song and puts them in for more motivation, taking it out and only have 1 point is basically just making someone like me with Death Piano feel degraded because I will not get a AAA period. Or even RATO for that matter. Having multiple points gives me motivation to move up as slow or as fast as I want. Motivation is key for this system if you ask me.

[raskanally]

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I like Rushy's idea.
Then we could use the current tier point requirements to help split them into difficulty tiers.

[justin_ator]

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Kinda like I stated before...we need a ranking based on TP. It'll create more interest in them.

[rushyrulz]

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To respond to you Rushy, that would just make a bit more difficult. I think the multiple points are perfect, because that makes people reach a more higher level on a song and puts them in for more motivation, taking it out and only have 1 point is basically just making someone like me with Death Piano feel degraded because I will not get a AAA period.

That would still exist, just not in the form it's in now. Like for your Death Piano example, passing the song could be a tier 3 requirement, passing with certain score could be a T2 req, FCing for T1 and some crazy good PA for T0. So instead of giving 9 tier points to 1 song for being so difficult, just 1 will be awarded in its respective group helping to maximize your points in that group.

[emulord]

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Rushy, your idea is the best so far. Multiple tier requirements has always been kind of an emotional let down when you get good PA for your skill, and still have 3 TPs to max it out.

Also, to avoid duplication of stats, the TPs should be not FC or AAA based. Stuff like (9 or fewer) or (50% score) are better because you get more rewards for incremental skill improvements.


++Rushy's idea

[iironiic]

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Two things I'd like to mention:

TPs should be based on raw scoring... but idk if that's possible to implement considering that this game is combo based scoring.

The hardest requirement should be a BF because if it was a AAA, it would make them more overrated. Yes I do agree that a AAA and a BF are two completely different scores, but I can also say that about two other scores. I personally believe that the reward of the AAA should only be that rank 1 you get, vs. max tier points.

/twocents

[DossarLX ODI]

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The hardest requirement should be a BF because if it was a AAA, it would make them more overrated. Yes I do agree that a AAA and a BF are two completely different scores, but I can also say that about two other scores. I personally believe that the reward of the AAA should only be that rank 1 you get, vs. max tier points.

Definitely in agreement with this. Whether you want to AAA or song is your prerogative - When I had a lot of flags, I decided to fix them even though I "already have the max requirement".

I'm really sick of AAAs now coming from all my plays, and tier points should be based more off of how you can DO on a file, not "hur hur I didn't get a random good this run!"

[XCV]

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TPs should be based on raw scoring... but idk if that's possible to implement considering that this game is combo based scoring.

The raw score is saved or it wouldn't be on the results screen, so no problems there.

(And thank goodness.)

[yo man im awesome]

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Err. 4 Chord Touhou's points just disappeared... I lost 2 points because of it..


Like, where it should say 2/6 or whatever, it just has / .

[i love you]

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Do not worry about that, I'm having someone fix a few issues within the TP system database

[DossarLX ODI]

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Err. 4 Chord Touhou's points just disappeared... I lost 2 points because of it..


Like, where it should say 2/6 or whatever, it just has / .

Like i love you said, it's being worked on right now (about time haha)

Edit: Oh man I'm laughing so hard right now at how the tier points were configured

[krunkykai22]

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Lol Dossar, I recently just heard that as well xD

And Rushy, now I understand and yes that seems a little better. I feel like the different levels of a tier point system per song would be better than just a 9/9, with that, it seems you can still have motivation to persist a better score and still get rewarded just in a different manner.