Official Tier Point System Thread

[LJRoX]

Re: Official Tier Point System Thread

LOL 6-7s

[Forlorn Radiance]

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lol it was just an example, i wasnt necessarily setting a bar, just stating how easy it would be to convert to a lower system to the TP system.

[jimerax]

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determining appropriate songs and reqs of around 100 songs isn't that easy.

[Forlorn Radiance]

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determining appropriate songs and reqs of around 100 songs isn't that easy.

Touche again not quite what i meant, but for the interest of me not inserting my foot in my mouth again, im just going to let it go.

Anyway, I'm sure it will be great when it's done.

[LJRoX]

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I was thinking of a level up system tier based

[YoshL]

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I was thinking of a level up system tier based

And hopefully, we won't degrade into something like newgrounds.

Or even worse, kongregate. All them peeps loving their rank and points on the site....

wait a sec...

[krunkykai22]

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So a quick question?

What are the requirements of tier levels?

Tier 0
Tier 1
Tier 2
Tier 3
Tier 4
Tier 5

?

[emulord]

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I don't think a strict "100 hardest songs" is a good idea.

My idea for a tier list is a couple songs that stress each type of skill in FFR at each difficulty 8-13. This is a fuzzy limit. There may be a few songs in the list that are less, like a "1 or fewer on 100 bar blackout" being worth 1 TP. If the list is good and short, pro's wont mind PA'ing those few easy songs to boost their TP. Then also noobs can have a few TPs and it allows easier classifications of worse players.
5 difficulties * 9 types of skill * 2 songs per difficulty = 90 songs. Similar number of songs, but more comprehensive.

The skills being Blue notes/Background, stream, endurance, jazzlike and confusing rhythm, jumpstream, jumps/triples/quads, jackhammers, rolls/burst, antiskill (token songs).
So for example,
Blue: Lethal Injection, Uber Rave, Marissa Stole the Precious thing, Flight of the bumblebee...
Stream: Purple, Monstrous Turtles, Vertex Beta, Strangeprogram, Reality
Jumpstream: Seven, Exciting Hyper Highspeed Star, Kidney Stone
Quads: Turkish March, Adventures of Lolo
Skill: Nanairopanda v2, OMGWTFT0KEN...
...

[qqwref]

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That's a good idea in general, but going for specific skillsets will leave only a few of the topmost FGOs, unless you decide to be really broad. Then the very topmost players won't have enough songs in the list to be able to meaningfully tell each other apart.

This is actually a bigger problem than it sounds, because it's really tough to get a system that is both useful for slower players (that is, not too based on combo/mashing) and relevant for the highest players (it needs to have enough top songs).

The only way I've thought of is to have every song start at 1 point for an FC with already decent PA. The idea there is that the difference between a lower player (a few VC AAAs, let's say) who can mash FC the high FGOs, and one who can't, will be very small, because even if they CAN combo a high FGO, they will probably not have good enough PA to net more than one point. This breaks the "N points on a song is constant difficulty" thing, but I think we're actually better off without that, because then we can have relatively easy reqs (1/x on the old system, which if you remember is 2 points easier than the current one) to start people off with, and also have very high reqs (like a RATO one which would be 10 points based on what we have right now), without ever needing to go beyond a single digit for any individual chart.

[iironiic]

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That's a good idea in general, but going for specific skillsets will leave only a few of the topmost FGOs, unless you decide to be really broad. Then the very topmost players won't have enough songs in the list to be able to meaningfully tell each other apart.

This is actually a bigger problem than it sounds, because it's really tough to get a system that is both useful for slower players (that is, not too based on combo/mashing) and relevant for the highest players (it needs to have enough top songs).

Very true, but because FGOs generally contain a wide variety of patterns, I think it's fair enough to allow some FGOs to fall under more than one category. For example, J'ai and Grist would both fall under the jacks and the burst sections. I don't see the harm in doing this since each category should be independent of each other.

[One Winged Angel]

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bumping this because I'm bored and I want to try and nab some more tier points soon

and also because it's been months since we had that huge discussion about revamping the TP system and I'm curious if any progress has been made

[igotrhythm]

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^ Valid, since this is a sticky and thus it's not a bump in the strictest sense.

As painful as it is for me to say this, perhaps we should wait until people get into the swing of summer vacation for any real progress on this? From what I've seen so far, opinions on how the new system should be laid out are like assholes: Everyone's got one.

I'm taking back my ST-accumulation idea, however, as while a wide variety of skills are tested in getting them, there was an "Easy Skill Token" even some years ago that would unfairly speed people along in that regard. I'm also seeing a fair bit of complaining about some of the higher requirements (if anyone has a right to bitch about the CP trill, I think Dossar's right up there).

One more thing that I'm noticing: I have the 1/x on Momentary Life due to good PA even though I got two misses in the last 25 notes. Also, at least three times I've fallen a boo short of a TP and still got the point, but with a red asterisk. Dunno if the first problem is solvable, but maybe the second could be tweaked?

[jimerax]

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well not much progress on this recently, but we don't forget about this.

basically current one will remain (some req changes will be done), and semi-tier system (easier songs) will be added along with this.

[Niala]

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Rhythm, when you get a score with a red asterisk, it means that you met the physical definition of what you needed to fulfill the requirement, but your score wasn't technically what it wanted. It's like when the requirement is SDG, and you get 9 goods and a boo, your score is technically worse than an SDG, but you still technically met the requirement.

[Sweagen]

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Can somebody tell me how many AAAs I need before I start receiving tier points for them? I have like 348 and am just wondering.