Official Tier Point System Thread

[TC_Halogen]

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I like how some Master songs are worth more points than a Guru.

^^

[i love you]

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The adventures of lolo and Reality are not 6 point worthy. If those songs were both set as an AAA for 6 points, it would be slightly lenient.

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I have a suggestion. To make it more approachable to non-pros, lets add some 1-3 pt requirements of songs that are VD-VC. This way, a AAA of an easier song might seem more in reach than FCing a FMO, and it doesnt encourage mashing.

This^ I think it should revolve around the whole game or at least the later half of the songs rather than just the higher level songs

[One Winged Angel]

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so you're saying Yorukumoryuu Yamikaze is harder to AAA than Reality?

yeah, the current AAAs prove otherwise because the pros whored the living crap out of Reality but that's definitely not true

[Fantasticone]

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So does this admit that songs like Piano Concerto 1 are harder than and Ripoff maybe a low FGO? They are worth more points.

[rushyrulz]

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Does nobody post anything on the front page or change log anymore?

[i love you]

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so you're saying Yorukumoryuu Yamikaze is harder to AAA than Reality?

Just gave that some re-looking and didn't realize the amount of players who played reality. Reality will be changed to 6 however Yorukumoryuu will also remained as 6 because that file is a high FMO.

So does this admit that songs like Piano Concerto 1 are harder than and Ripoff maybe a low FGO? They are worth more points.

Ripoff is probably one of the hardest FMO in the game but it's not worth the 7/7 neither does Piano Concerto.

Does nobody post anything on the front page or change log anymore?

I'm pretty sure they still do lol

[rushyrulz]

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You'd think a complete rework of the Tier Point system would go on the front page.

[i love you]

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Once everything is done, then that might be a possibility.

[Matrixdude]

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+1 for qqwref

Mashing should totally be taken out of the question. If a tier point system is to determine the professionals then why let people who cannot even FC a song without mashing a lot be on the top players list?

I think that a system where the lowest point is a low FC with decent PA would work great and would definitely separate the top players from the ones that don't deserve to be in the top players.

[i love you]

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+1 for qqwref

Mashing should totally be taken out of the question. If a tier point system is to determine the professionals then why let people who cannot even FC a song without mashing a lot be on the top players list?

I think that a system where the lowest point is a low FC with decent PA would work great and would definitely separate the top players from the ones that don't deserve to be in the top players.

I really like this idea myself but I'm waiting for a response from Jimerax which is the main reason why i left it blank.

[jimerax]

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so you mean removing all "XXX or higher" reqs?

we already changed ambiguous FC reqs to PA reqs.

[qqwref]

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Yeah, but not just removing them, making the lowest PA req 1 point (and the rest go up from there).

[jimerax]

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1pt PA req for FSO songs??

can do it for some FGO songs but not all songs I guess.

[qqwref]

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Well, not all 1-point requirements will be equal, in my system, so it's not like I think an FSO FC with bad PA could ever be equal to, say, 30 goods on Southern Cross. Everyone good should be able to get a few points on the easiest songs; but only the best should be able to get a few points on the hardest.

I've been thinking about the old system of having all 1-point etc. be equal and it's kind of an odd idea, because it means that you have to make up a combo for harder songs that is somehow equal to decent PA on a much much easier songs. But the big goal of TPs is to determine how skilled someone is, right? I don't think high-FGO mashing ability matters when talking about a player who is at the level of barely non-mash FCing high VCs. That player might be able to get 1 point per song on the highest levels, but not much more, so most of their points will be on songs they can actually play decently, which gives a much better indication of their skill. Similarly, a mid-range player might get a few points on the higher songs, but the number of points there won't be huge enough that FGO FCs will matter more than FMO SDGs. And, for the highest players, they won't be as hurt if they don't have an FC on something like CP.