Official Tier Point System Thread

[jwcgator]

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Every time there's an update to the tiers, I lose more points.

[igotrhythm]

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lmao there goes all my tiers

This. Once again, just as I'm starting to accumulate TP, there's a system change that wipes at least two-thirds of what I did on it. D:<

Edit: I also disagree with the presence of token songs on the list, such as Gaussian Blur 1. They may be hard enough as a file, but the fact remains that not everyone possesses the wherewithal to solve the puzzles and find the tokens. (I know I suck at riddles, which is why I'm not even going to try NotFFRon.) If we're going to find out the top players, skill alone needs to be the main criterion, so while I support the presence of skill tokens (BB Revenge, Melonman's OP), the hidden tokens need to go. Anti-skill tokens like Nanairopanda v2 fall into a sort of gray area in this system.

[smartdude1212]

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Tier Points: 667 (627 + 40 for 873 AAAs)

Ahahaha, oh my dumbledore... goodbye T0. It was a blast.

[Izzy]

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Welp.. I'm like tier 5 now. Good game.

All of the links on page one go to worthless garbage. Where is the list of the top players? None of those links show it at all.

[jimerax]

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qqwref: To prevent mashers from getting points more perfectly, we need to change scoring system itself. Easiest way is adding combo breakers (or just making averages cbs) probably, but we have to wipe scores for that. And what's 1pt reqs for FSO songs then (make them 2000 or fewer or something?)?

igot: yeah regular token songs could be removed, will consider that next time.

[behanjc]

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Now you're just asking for ppl to DS to FC crowdpleaser. At least before it was like 4/9 instead of 1 :P

[SK8R43]

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Lol, yeah i'm done with Tier points now. Wont EVER reach my goal of 100, went from 95 to 23.
FML!!!

[qqwref]

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qqwref: To prevent mashers from getting points more perfectly, we need to change scoring system itself. Easiest way is adding combo breakers (or just making averages cbs) probably, but we have to wipe scores for that.

Well, I talked to Velocity about it, and changing the scoring system would be, if not impossible, a gigantic ordeal (a week of downtime for computation, plus time for backing up the system, plus a lot of work on top of it). Even if we can't actually remove the reliance on combo, we can still optimize the results with the current system, and I think it's better to not give 2-5 point bonuses just for FCing something.

We could actually change the scoring system *without* wiping scores using the following scoring system: perfect = 1550, good = 1275, average = 1055, miss = -310, boo = -20. An admin would have to recalculate the total score on database scores, but scores would not at all need to be wiped. The reason is that this would keep every FC score the same, and all other scores would only increase, so we can keep Grand Total Score totals/ranks intact, and the credit cap as well. We would have to recalculate the non-FC scores, which would be a bit unfair to any very very old (like before 2006ish) non-FC scores, but I have a feeling that anyone who recorded a non-FC score that long ago probably doesn't care all that much about their rank.

And what's 1pt reqs for FSO songs then (make them 2000 or fewer or something?)?

Yeah, something huge like that. Death Piano might be something like 1000 / 500 / 300 / 160 / 80 / 40 / 20 / 9 / AAA (if you wanna go all the way to 9 anyway).

Now you're just asking for ppl to DS to FC crowdpleaser. At least before it was like 4/9 instead of 1 :P

Nope, actually I think fewer people will bother (unless they REALLY want the FC), because it's only 1 point instead of an automatic 4. To be honest, though, I don't think CP should be counted in the TP scale at all.

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I had another idea just now: remember the 0-40 bonus for AAAs? This isn't the BEST system because it asks the best players to play 20+ hours of easy songs for a good rank, plus it needs to be changed every once in a while to be relevant. So how about this: take the average of the difficulty (1-13) of the hardest 100 songs the player has AAA'd. The range 8.0 to 12.0 would be converted into the range of 0 to 40 bonus points - with no points if they don't have 100 AAAs yet. I'd round down, so that an average of 8.00 to 8.09 would be worth 0 points, 8.10 to 8.19 would be worth 1, and so on. So this requires less time spent on songs that a good player can clearly AAA, provides an unattainable goal (until there are a little under 100 FGO+ songs, anyway), and does not need to be updated when new songs are released. As long as the difficulty scale stays the same, this could be in place for literally years.

[i love you]

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Wow, can't argue with that. This IMO would actually make the system much more accurate and easier to handle. Plus i think most people would support this more because of the fact that the scoring system qqwerf suggested is now more PA based rather than combo based which is what we want. Of course it would take some coding but I'm sure it's not too difficult. Also, the bonus idea would really make things a lot easier since we wouldn't have to keep updating it as long as the difficultly scale stays in place.

I don't know about you guys but +1 support

[SK8R43]

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Sounds good. +1 Support also! Even though im not really that good. lol

[MrMagic5239]

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No offense, I have to throw my simple 2 cents in. Making it so a limited amount of people on FFR can actually earn TP's until the lesser skilled people become "great" at this game, doesn't seem to fair.



I do like the idea, but I had to throw that in.

[rushyrulz]

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I agree with MrMagic. Tier Points were hard enough as they were. Increasing their difficulty just makes it harder on the people who actually NEED the feeling of accomplishment by earing things such as tokens (don't make an FGO AAA token) and tier points (why make it harder than it already was?)

Just because the people who are good at this game might be the only ones suggesting things like this, doesn't mean they should all be implemented. <.1% of the players shouldn't be allowed to speak for >99.9% of the players.

Idk about you guys, but I would love to have less of an elite club, and more of a supportive community that tailors not only to the extraordinary players, but to those who are still learning. This is not the way to go about it.

tl;dr: Making TPs ridiculously hard makes noobs quit.

2 cents.

[ichliebekase]

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Oops, 2 cents coming.

Just recently, I earned my first TP with the FC for For FFR (yea, odd first TP to get). Shortly afterwards that day, I got HELLBEAT FC (I think) too. Now that the new change has come, not only did I lose those TP's that I had earned, I have 1 now that I didn't even play/earn (krunky had played on my account without knowing once, that's why my Magical 8bit Tour score is better than my ability) and pretty much all of them are out of my reach again. And I thought I was finally able to earn myself some. Oops.

/end 2 cents.

[Plan_Bsk81127]

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Tier points have always been and should remain for the upper skilled players. It has never been an issue with lower skilled players before, why is it now they are feeling everything is unfair and that their needs to be two of everything now on this site. Lower skill players need to stop looking up to the pro players and discouraging themselves from doing better, that makes no sense why they do that. We already had to pointlessly separate the scores threads because these people lack they attention they feed off of, now we need to start separating all the stats, screw that. lol.

[rushyrulz]

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Tier points have always been and should remain for the upper skilled players.

Give me one good reason why.