Drugs

[~kitty~]

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Personally, I don't see the point in doing drugs. The side-effects, even on the safe ones, do not appeal to me at all. The pleasure gained from doing drugs doesn't seem like something I'd want to do. When I think about it, I don't necessarily think it has to be morally wrong, but it is self destructive and some are destructive to others. Even safe drugs are a danger. It may not be immediate or completely physical, but the experience might lead one thing to another.

[gnr61]

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Even safe drugs are a danger.

this is a pretty narrow (and obviously a bit oxymoronic) view, sounds like your prejudices are talking through you. from that position nothing at all is worth doing, because even perfectly harmless things have some capacity through fluke of incident to cause harm.

obviously there's no moral conundrum regarding people doing things to/for themselves, so long as they proceed responsibly and such that no one else is in any danger. while i would never try to persuade someone who wasn't interested in drugs to try them, i've certainly berated enough friends for having all sorts of double standards and generally unhealthy conceptions of drug culture and experience. no, it's not for everybody, and i would never recommend anything especially addictive or health-averse. but on the whole most drugs are fairly innocuous and people should stop sweatin' each other about it Y'AINT MY GADDAMN MOM OKAY

[~kitty~]

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this is a pretty narrow (and obviously a bit oxymoronic) view, sounds like your prejudices are talking through you. from that position nothing at all is worth doing, because even perfectly harmless things have some capacity through fluke of incident to cause harm.

"Safe" drugs. They're safe in a more physical fitness kind of way, but there are some damaging effects in your psychological state. Some people may not call it "damage" but I consider it damaged, and to say it's not is being in denial. That's my opinion.

EDIT: I personally am just saying that I wouldn't want to alter my consciousness like that, and certainly not in a permanent kind of way that may result in some awkwardness that I can't help.

[SocoNhydro420]

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Drugs don't destroy people, people destroy themselves. If an addict throws away his life for a drug its the addicts fault, not the drugs.

I am a prime example of my statement. Im a near 4.0 GPA physics major, planning on going to grad school to earn a PhD, and i have a great job now as a calculus tutor.

Not only am I an accomplished student with high aspirations, but I have done my share of drugs, and continue to do so.


Things I've done countless times
Marijuana
Percocets/opiates
Alcohol
Adderall

Things I've done occasionally
Benzos (Valium/Xanax/Ativan/Klonopin)
Ambien
Mushrooms

Things I've done rarely
Ecstacy
LSD
Salvia
Synthetic Cannabinoids (stuff like JWH-018 etc)

One-Timers
Cocaine
Crack
2C-I (Synthetic hallucinogen, most intense shit i have ever done, look it up)
Ketamine
DXM


So yeah, I been around the block a few times so to speak.. but because of my self control that i have, they have not impacted my life, nor my intellegence for that matter, in the least bit.

I do not encourage drug use. In fact, I greatly respect straight edge people. All im saying is that drugs don't hurt people, people hurt themselves/others from being stupid and having no self control.

[MagicCarpetRide]

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drugs don't hurt people, people hurt themselves/others from being stupid and having no self control.

True story. I smoked weed when I was 12, did DXM when I was 13, and had done pretty much the whole list by the time I was 15. I'm 20 now and still use drugs occasionally. I have never considered it a "problem."

The only problem I see with any drugs is recreational use of drugs that aren't meant to be used recreationally like painkillers and and sort of pills. Also **** any sort of opiate like heroin and you can never control what cocaine is cut with so that is not safe unless you get it directly from the source which doesn't happen.

That is my opinion. Feel free to judge me but I am content with the direction of my life and and that is my definition of "happy" so I don't really care what anyone has to say.

[~kitty~]

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True story. I smoked weed when I was 12, did DXM when I was 13, and had done pretty much the whole list by the time I was 15. I'm 20 now and still use drugs occasionally. I have never considered it a "problem."

The only problem I see with any drugs is recreational use of drugs that aren't meant to be used recreationally like painkillers and and sort of pills. Also **** any sort of opiate like heroin and you can never control what cocaine is cut with so that is not safe unless you get it directly from the source which doesn't happen.

That is my opinion. Feel free to judge me but I am content with the direction of my life and and that is my definition of "happy" so I don't really care what anyone has to say.

Yeah, it really depends on what you consider a problem. I only argue psychological damages on things like marijuana. I know people who smoke it and they say that ever since they smoked it, they've been unable to focus as hard. I feel like that could be a problem, though it may not do the same for everyone it definitely does SOMETHING.

[hi19hi19]

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I've never used any drugs of any sort (also don't drink alcohol) but I've been around plenty of drugged up/drunk people. Surely I've gotten mild second-hand highs from being around my pothead friends, but heh I don't count that.

Despite being a pretty straight-edge guy when it comes to my own substance use, generally I don't mind what people to do their own bodies as long as it doesn't impact others. In all the cases I've been around people using various substances, it was always their choice whether or not to use them and it was my choice to be there or not. Usually I stay around because my friends are funny when they're high, but I know when too much is too much and I should leave.

In summary? I think almost everything touted as "bad" for you is only bad in the context of no self-control or a lack of moderation. With some common sense and restraint, the world suddenly has so many more possibilities- it's up to each person to choose carefully what they want to partake in, and how much. Who am I to tell others how to live their lives... if you want to do something, go for it, just don't get me involved unless I want to.

[devonin]

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You guys realise the potential problems you're setting up for yourself posting on a public forum "Here are the illegal things I do" yes?

[korny]

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I find it very unlikely that those posting on here about their supposed involvement with illegal substances are the subject of much legal scrutiny amongst the many many other sites whose main focus is this sort of thing.

[devonin]

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"Korny Drugs" on google, the second result is posts by you, about drugs, on FFR.

We've got plenty of users that use their real name as their username, or use names that would be easily connected to them after say, having their real name looked up on facebook, which managers and HR directors do -all the time- now.

Having a post on a publically viewable forum where you say "I use the following drugs A, B and C" is just a potential risk.

The odds that anybody ever connects 'SocoNhydro420' with whatever his real name is are pretty slim, but it's still non zero. The name probably appears on his facebook somewhere.

[Cavernio]

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Kitty:
""Safe" drugs. They're safe in a more physical fitness kind of way, but there are some damaging effects in your psychological state. Some people may not call it "damage" but I consider it damaged, and to say it's not is being in denial. That's my opinion."

Falling in love is dangerous in a psychological way too, but I doubt you think that that's a bad thing to do. Someone who's lost their love is also damaged. I also swear I have OD'd on music to the point that my psychological well-being has been affected. Should I avoid listening to music I find incredibly enjoyable, or avoid falling in love?

Furthermore, psychological vs physical is not a well-defined line. Your physical brain changes for the psychological things to happen as a cause of drugs.

I find it amazing how people out there think that using prescription drugs recreationally is bad, but using street drugs is ok. Reminds me of my roommate in first year: wouldn't take an aspirin for pain because it 'shouldn't be in your body', but yet smoked everyday. Use a little logic.

"All im saying is that drugs don't hurt people, people hurt themselves/others from being stupid and having no self control."

Then why do you so carefully present a list of 1-of drugs you've done? Surely it's not because those specific ones were too expensive, or because their high was crap compared to other stuff.

[Madokidoki]

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I've never used any drugs of any sort (also don't drink alcohol) but I've been around plenty of drugged up/drunk people. Surely I've gotten mild second-hand highs from being around my pothead friends, but heh I don't count that.

Despite being a pretty straight-edge guy when it comes to my own substance use, generally I don't mind what people to do their own bodies as long as it doesn't impact others. In all the cases I've been around people using various substances, it was always their choice whether or not to use them and it was my choice to be there or not. Usually I stay around because my friends are funny when they're high, but I know when too much is too much and I should leave.

In summary? I think almost everything touted as "bad" for you is only bad in the context of no self-control or a lack of moderation. With some common sense and restraint, the world suddenly has so many more possibilities- it's up to each person to choose carefully what they want to partake in, and how much. Who am I to tell others how to live their lives... if you want to do something, go for it, just don't get me involved unless I want to.

One of the most intelligent posts I've read in a while. I agree.

[Litholia]

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I was addicted to cocaine and mixed it with benzo's on hundreds of occasions. I did this for 2 years until I realized what i was doing to my liver, and more importantly my brain. Doing drugs for "experimental" use is okay in my opinion. Sure eat some mushrooms, or drop acid ones or twice, but anything more would be considered chasing the high which is also called addiction.

I smoke a lot of pot, and will do so until I feel as if it will cause more harm to me then it does good.

People go back and forth on how drugs are "good" or "bad" everyone knows the answer.. Anything you put in your body, whether it's a caffeinated drink like coffee, or a white powdered substance snorted through a dollar bill up the nose (not only talking about cocaine.) can be potentially, if not fatally harmful to you, your body, and more importantly others surrounding you.

I agree 100% with hi19, everyone is given one chance in life, and what you do with it is completely up to the individual. When you get others involved however, that's were I draw the line and go from calling one guy a junkie, and another guy just a typical person living their life the way they feel is best in order to satisfy themselves.

[!!!!]

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Well a lot of people always have the stance that this is okay but this is not. Myself I say it's all okay or none of it is. I know what a hardcore substance problem is like. I'm still paying for it today till good ol uncle Sam lets me off the hook this winter.
If a person like myself that loves pills is not hurting anyone then everyone should stay out of it including the law. Now if I'm high and go rob people to support my habit instead of paying for it myself like I did. It would be okay to bust my ass and send me down the line. As I did not do any of that to support my habit I still disagree with getting in trouble.
I would probably not be in trouble at all if a methadone clinic was in a decent range from here. I can't drive 5 hours a day for a dose of methadone 6 days a week for 2 years to build up monthly take home doses.
I have a lot of friends that's hooked on harder dope that has to trust the dealer on how strong it is. Then end up with an overdose from a fix that is too strong or get busted then die in jail from a bad detox.This would be avoidable if there was easy access for all.
I almost died in east St Louis from a nasty detox in jail a couple of years ago. My respect for the law and the system to "help" people is zero after that.
The abuse I put myself through should have never had to go that far if there was easy access for all addicts.
If you're still hooked I feel your pain Just take it a day,hour or even a minuet at a time.

[Madokidoki]

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Well a lot of people always have the stance that this is okay but this is not. Myself I say it's all okay or none of it is. I know what a hardcore substance problem is like. I'm still paying for it today till good ol uncle Sam lets me off the hook this winter.
If a person like myself that loves pills is not hurting anyone then everyone should stay out of it including the law. Now if I'm high and go rob people to support my habit instead of paying for it myself like I did. It would be okay to bust my ass and send me down the line. As I did not do any of that to support my habit I still disagree with getting in trouble.
I would probably not be in trouble at all if a methadone clinic was in a decent range from here. I can't drive 5 hours a day for a dose of methadone 6 days a week for 2 years to build up monthly take home doses.
I have a lot of friends that's hooked on harder dope that has to trust the dealer on how strong it is. Then end up with an overdose from a fix that is too strong or get busted then die in jail from a bad detox.This would be avoidable if there was easy access for all.
I almost died in east St Louis from a nasty detox in jail a couple of years ago. My respect for the law and the system to "help" people is zero after that.
The abuse I put myself through should have never had to go that far if there was easy access for all addicts.
If you're still hooked I feel your pain Just take it a day,hour or even a minuet at a time.

It's not the law's fault he screwed around with his body enough to cause himself serious pain and potential death. If you aren't willing to deal with those consequences, you should risk taking drugs. Everything in life comes down to risk versus reward, like sex. Sex comes with so many different risks, pregnancy, STDs, emotional trauma, etc, but when you have sex with someone you truly love, it's one of the most gratifying experience in life.

Drugs are the same way. If you take a drug, you know the consequences; you can research them. If you abuse it, like someone who abuses sexual conduct, then you'll pay a price. But when used in a controlled manner, you can get a satisfying and pleasurable experience.

Also, if you abuse perscription medicine, you can't complain that it's hard to get. It's not meant to be consumed recreationally and the government will not approve of it. For something like pot, steps can be made for easy access and lawful use. However, trying to tell people that all drugs should be legal is ridiculous. If you choose to use them, that's fine, I'm not gonna say you can't, but some drugs are illegal for a reason. The government doesn't want you to be addicted to hardcore drugs, they want you to lead a life where you don't have to ****ing go drive for 6 days to get a fix.

So try this: drugs are fine and you should use them if you want, but if you think you can justify expose people to a potentially life-threatening addiction like your friend's, you're stupid. The government doesn't want to waste money on fixing up people who are just gonna get their dope on once they let them out. So yeah, pot should probably be legal considering side effects are minimal and it's nonaddictive, but cocaine? When is the last time you saw a functioning cocaine addict who made his way as a functioning member of society? My dad was an addict and sorry, his addiction came first.

So maybe I'm biased, but I'll say it: do drugs on your own time and stop complaining about the law and the government. The law and the government don't have to [protect people who aren't smart enough to know they're playing with their life. The government is not your addiction safety net.