Drugs

[devonin]

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It's amazing to me that you can work your way around to "Nobody was hurt (That I'm aware of), so the fact that I knowingly and intentionally broke the law and had to deal with the consequences is waaah waaah waaah I don't want to go to jail, pot should be legal, you're all jerks!"

Other people breaking the law doesn't change what you did. You thinking it shouldn't count as breaking the law doesn't change what you did. You want to break the law, man up and accept the consequences when you get caught. You knew what the penalties could be, that stuff is written down publicly for anybody to read.

You want to avoid the consequences because they are bad, and have a negative impact on your life. Guess what? Mission accomplished. That's what laws are SUPPOSED to do. Punish you for violating them, make you an example for other people who might think of doing the same thing, and deter you from ever doing it again.

[MagicCarpetRide]

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It's amazing to me that you can work your way around to "Nobody was hurt (That I'm aware of), so the fact that I knowingly and intentionally broke the law and had to deal with the consequences is waaah waaah waaah I don't want to go to jail, pot should be legal, you're all jerks!"

Other people breaking the law doesn't change what you did. You thinking it shouldn't count as breaking the law doesn't change what you did. You want to break the law, man up and accept the consequences when you get caught. You knew what the penalties could be, that stuff is written down publicly for anybody to read.

You want to avoid the consequences because they are bad, and have a negative impact on your life. Guess what? Mission accomplished. That's what laws are SUPPOSED to do. Punish you for violating them, make you an example for other people who might think of doing the same thing, and deter you from ever doing it again.

So you're saying every law that currently exists and the corresponding punishments as well as the court system is absolutely 100% perfect?

[Jerry DB]

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I'm gonna throw out the old fashioned why Is drinking and smoke cigs legal, what great system is protecting us from that?

Also it is definitely possible to get clean herb that hasn't been sprayed with chemicals every single time that is healthier for you then fast food. If it were legal it would be even easier because it would be more of a standard to not spray everything down because you have to grow in some hidden insect infested space.

I have seen how many people smoke it's a big amount, people lie and hide it all the time because of the consequences. It's just a scare tactic and propaganda and in the near future I feel like my points will be a lot more clear to everyone. Just gotta let the fact sink in that nobody has died from smoking it, but if they have died it is because it is illegal so gangs use it and police officers are trigger happy. It is far more dangerous being illegal

[irionman]

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Only do legal things. You'll have LOADS of fun...

[devonin]

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So you're saying every law that currently exists and the corresponding punishments as well as the court system is absolutely 100% perfect?

No, but there are things to do about laws you feel are unjust. Breaking them anyway, on purpose, and then bitching about the consequences that you knew going in isn't one of the things you can do that will get you any sympathy from me.

I don't think marijuana should be illegal either, but I have no sympathy for people who get caught breaking the law and get punished.

I'm gonna throw out the old fashioned why Is drinking and smoke cigs legal, what great system is protecting us from that?

Doesn't matter that those are legal any more than "But there are murderers out there!" is an actual defense against getting caught speeding in your car. Their legality doesn't have the first thing to do with pot's illegality, or the punishments you faced for having it.

Also it is definitely possible to get clean herb that hasn't been sprayed with chemicals every single time that is healthier for you then fast food. If it were legal it would be even easier because it would be more of a standard to not spray everything down because you have to grow in some hidden insect infested space.

So? I wasn't talking about whether pot was healthy or not, just whether it's legal or not.

if they have died it is because it is illegal so gangs use it and police officers are trigger happy.

And nobody is ever exploited, hurt, killed or otherwise suffers negative consequences because of the illegal trade in an illegal substance, even outside the general violence accompanying anything gangs do.

Only do legal things. You'll have LOADS of fun...

If you can't have fun without breaking the law, you should be put in an institution before you cause irreparable harm to yourself and those around you.

[irionman]

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If you can't have fun without breaking the law, you should be put in an institution before you cause irreparable harm to yourself and those around you.

Not everything that's against the law causes any harm. Smoking weed harms no one. Pissing in public harms no one. Cussing in public don't do shit. (yeah, that's a law here in virginia)

You can't tell me you've never broke the law.

[MagicCarpetRide]

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No, but there are things to do about laws you feel are unjust. Breaking them anyway, on purpose, and then bitching about the consequences that you knew going in isn't one of the things you can do that will get you any sympathy from me.

I don't think marijuana should be illegal either, but I have no sympathy for people who get caught breaking the law and get punished.

Thank you for elaborating. I understand what you are saying now and I agree. People just need to decide if the the risk is worth the reward which it is obviously not but the risk is fairly low. It's not exactly a fair system...at all... but choosing to smoke is risking punishment, that is no secret and someone that smokes should be prepared for such punishment regardless of how retarded that punishment is. But I'm still going to smoke and I'm still going to feel bad for those who get ****ed over by the system.

[devonin]

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But is it being ****ed over, when the punishments are visible on record as tied to exact levels of offense, and then you suffer those punishments?

[Jerry DB]

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well either way the court system in the U.S. has way too many flaws and I did get screwed over. If you had to pay court fines to watch it go towards ungrateful lazy fat correction officers you would be mad too. If weed was legal I would have a job and no stress and I would be perfectly happy in every way not that I'm unhappy now. I would never get arrested because I'm a law abiding citizen and there are probably at least a million people in the same situation who could be doing good and pushing the economy by actually working instead of bossing pot smokers around with a gun and calling it justice

[MagicCarpetRide]

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But is it being ****ed over, when the punishments are visible on record as tied to exact levels of offense, and then you suffer those punishments?

It is, because those punishments are more severe than the crime committed and the punishments are inconsistent. Celebrities can openly talk about how much weed they smoke and rappers talk about it in their songs but when a hard working, well-mannered, young citizen smokes a joint outside their dorm building they can get expelled from college. That's getting ****ed over. He was causing no trouble, while all of his peers are getting shit faced and causing real problems then get a slap on the wrist. There's something wrong with that picture in my opinion.

[devonin]

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I can talk about smoking pot and I can talk about murdering people, just like rappers do. But if I'm caught -doing- those things instead of just talking about them, I get punished.

[Aldentron]

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It's amazing to me that you can work your way around to "Nobody was hurt (That I'm aware of), so the fact that I knowingly and intentionally broke the law and had to deal with the consequences is waaah waaah waaah I don't want to go to jail, pot should be legal, you're all jerks!"

lol critical thinking forum is full of this judgmental garbage?
i don't think anyone has ever reasoned that marijuana should be legalized because they went to jail for it. anyone. there is simply more to it than just angst, that potheads are just mad because they are persecuted for getting high.

there is a very legitimate argument for the use of medicinal marijuana that you are belittling with bullshit moot counterpoints like this. you are also speaking from a privileged perspective. talk about drugs in canada if you want, but it's just not fair for you to think you can compare a drug user's life in canada to a drug user's life in america. the real world just isn't as black-and-white as the law would lead you to believe.

[MagicCarpetRide]

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I can talk about smoking pot and I can talk about murdering people, just like rappers do. But if I'm caught -doing- those things instead of just talking about them, I get punished.

Like when steve-o waved his bag of weed in front of the cops just to prove they wouldn't do anything, or when snoop dogg smokes weed on stage (actually a lot rappers have done this), or when 50 cent was caught on camera doing coke backstage, or Arnold Schwarzawhatever who went on to become governor after being recorded blazing. Admittedly these are all different than distribution of marijuana but still...

[Emithith]

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the real world just isn't as black-and-white as the law would lead you to believe.

That's not the point. The law is law, if you break it you're punished for it. It doesn't matter how many shades of grey, the system will always see you as black or white, to a certain degree.

[Spenner]

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*Edit: In my mind,

Sure. We have a law set in place for a reason, just like back in the day prohibition was initiated. We weighed things out and reevaluated and understood that breaking the prohibition would do more good than bad, maybe the same thing will happen one day and we'll understand that if we decriminalize it, there won't be such extreme measures to evade the law and potentially violent encounters due to it's scarcity.

I think it's still come a long way from where it was, with medical pot being available for those that meet the requirements. I'm sure it will eventually get closer to legal status and policing will focus less on this harmless inevitable act and more so on getting violent people off the streets. Some of them carry pot, a lot of them don't. It's kind of unfair that if a violent person holds a specific quality, that quality is seen as associated only with violence. If a person shot up a school wearing a micky mouse hat, those would probably be seen as a reminder of violent things from that point forward, depending on the severity of the act. Pot's been in the same boat for ages to many people.