Drugs

[danny53x]

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ya

[aperson]

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Eating an apple is legal because it alters your perception positively, drugs are illegal because they alter your perception negatively.

Then define what 'alter your perception negatively' is.

You keep defining everything in terms of something else yet somehow you magically never get back to a place with a concrete example or definition.

[Yieldsign]

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Don't worry, he's going to make a tautology between "negative" and "illegal drugs"

[aperson]

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I'm gonna paraphrase a quote here but I think it gets a pretty good point across:

"Why the hell is pleasure a negative side effect?"

[Yieldsign]

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Well, I do agree to an extent that it's a bad idea to drive on quite a few substances (legal ones included; alcohol, opiates, etc...) but I don't think that should be the basis of criminalization. I mean, it's becoming quite invasive at the point when we're hindering peoples' rights to alter their consciousness on the basis of what they might do when there isn't much empirical evidence to support that claim.

[Rubin0]

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I don't support drugs. Every single person that I have ever known that has been into drugs has been a complete tool, especially when high. I have been stolen from countless times from a particular family member who could not kick his marijuana habit. I don't mean 5 or 10 bucks here and there. I mean I have lost game consoles, laptops, paintball gear, endless expensive shit that I know ended up in a pawn shop or some dealer's apartment. It eventually evolved into a more expensive prescription drug habit so he began to steal directly out of my grandmother's bank account. I am not going to say that drugs make you do stupid shit because he is the one that chose to do those things. Nobody makes you try drugs the first time, nobody makes you continue to taking them, and it's nobody's fault but your own when you are too addicted to stop.

People are going to do what they want regardless if it is legal or not, but that does not mean I have to associate with them. It just sucks that every single time I get on the road I am in danger of getting plowed into and killed by someone that has decided to get drunk/high/whatever altered state that they prefer because they are selfish assholes.

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I don't support drugs. Every single person that I have ever known that has been into drugs has been a complete tool, especially when high. I have been stolen from countless times from a particular family member who could not kick his marijuana habit. I don't mean 5 or 10 bucks here and there. I mean I have lost game consoles, laptops, paintball gear, endless expensive shit that I know ended up in a pawn shop or some dealer's apartment. It eventually evolved into a more expensive prescription drug habit so he began to steal directly out of my grandmother's bank account. I am not going to say that drugs make you do stupid shit because he is the one that chose to do those things. Nobody makes you try drugs the first time, nobody makes you continue to taking them, and it's nobody's fault but your own when you are too addicted to stop.

People are going to do what they want regardless if it is legal or not, but that does not mean I have to associate with them. It just sucks that every single time I get on the road I am in danger of getting plowed into and killed by someone that has decided to get drunk/high/whatever altered state that they prefer because they are selfish assholes.

Have you read anything in this thread? This post is almost as bad rushy's. Anecdotal, correlative evidence is not good evidence. The majority of people who smoke marijuana do not steal from their family members.

No, you don't have to associate with people that steal your shit, but you also don't have be prejudicial toward everyone who shares one half of your correlation but most likely not the other.

And that a bit about high driving... *****ing facepalm*. Go get educated on the subject.

[Rubin0]

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The OP asked what my opinion of drugs are, so I gave it.

[Yieldsign]

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The OP asked what my opinion of drugs are, so I gave it.

yeah the point of critical thinking is to posit subjective opinions with no basis.

oh wait, no it's not.

wtf is with people saying "diz iz my opinion" in this topic critical thinking is not for pure opinions

[Rubin0]

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Okay so let me say this. Driving is a privilege, not a right. It's a privilege that can be and should be taken away if you are under the influence. You are responsible as a licensed driver to not drive under the influence, whether it be alcohol or another substance that alters your state of mind. Is that factual enough? A person saying that they drive better after smoking pot is subjective, but since it agrees with the rest of the pot heads' opinions on this board, that is an acceptable argument? Please.

[aperson]

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Okay so let me say this. Driving is a privilege, not a right. It's a privilege that can be and should be taken away if you are under the influence. You are responsible as a licensed driver to not drive under the influence, whether it be alcohol or another substance that alters your state of mind. Is that factual enough? A person saying that they drive better after smoking pot is subjective, but since it agrees with the rest of the pot heads' opinions on this board, that is an acceptable argument? Please.

Yet at the same time it's acceptable for someone who has never smoked weed to say that it is most definitely not okay to drive while stoned?

[Rubin0]

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Did I ever say that I never smoked pot? I have and I would never have gotten behind the wheel like that.

[aperson]

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Did I ever say that I never smoked pot?

Cool so now where's your evidence that it makes you worse at driving?

[Rubin0]

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Evidence? I can't believe I even have to provide evidence over something like this.

http://alcoholism.about.com/od/pot/a/pot_driving.htm

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/376174/the_simple_truth_about_driving_under.html?cat=71

http://missoulian.com/news/local/article_1d9f6f8a-2137-11e0-a0be-001cc4c002e0.html

I will elaborate in a minute, I'm stuck on the phone with girlfriend aggro.

[devonin]

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So far this has actually been a pretty reasonable drug thread.

Bear in mind a few things going forward though:

1/ Posts that are just "yeah" "no" or "I agree" are going to get deleted. If you have nothing to add, don't add anything.

2/ We as a site can't actually support the use of illegal drugs, and while you're free to talk about drugs as specifically as you like in the abstract, please don't post about how -you- do drugs, or that others -should- do drugs which are currently illegal.