Drugs

[Mans0n]

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I've taken a lot of drugs for my age and am still very smart. ( such drugs as MDMA,Coke,Methamphetamine,Mushrooms,bud,and amphetamines. And While drugs do damage your mind, most of the time it's only temporarily if any at all because your brain has the awesome ability of healing itself over time. though unless you go past the point of no return as for example: snorting 9 lines of meth daily for even a year at the most will permanently **** your mind unless your really lucky. though when these drugs are done considerably and not so close together ( excluding amp's and meth) they can life changing for the better. And to anyone againsts cocaine, ACTUAL COKE not what u get on da street is actually healthy for your heart when done occasionally. And your more likely to get a heart attack from air pollution than you are cocaine, ha. and that's a fact.
hope this helped clear anything up. And if not lol **** it im pretty high atm

[Syhto]

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Is there actually a reason to have this argument? It has already been proven time and time again that marijuana is a safe drug. Most adverse effects are most probably brought on by the individual under the influence. You can't exactly argue with subjective experience, not if you want to keep on topic anyway. But there are also many holes in our understanding, it's perforated. Neuroscience is beginning to explain more and more, but the general public is throwing terms and 'mental diseases' around haphazardly. Not to mention western, modern science differs from the rest of the world.

It really is a cultural and social thing. Drugs are taboo. There are fears about things like 'going crazy', many people wonder if they're normal, there's an objective ideal of sorts. There's a lot of focus on physical things, material things. Appropriate for some problems.

Drugs allow experimentation with consciousness and perception. In the right context, it benefits. It's just like anything. There has to be a balance. Eastern medicine many times focuses more on personal well-being, emotional health. Dealing with wisdom passed from from generation to generation, how to be happy. There's a lot to it; but my point is, you have to be more open minded and realize full human potential.

Culture is supreme here, because it is us, in essence. Culture is an evolution of our knowledge and practices over time. With knowledge we have the power to make meaningful choices. Most of the time when we have (particularly emotional) problems, it stems from our own perception. Drugs can make or break someone, but the person has to let either of those things happen.

Mental illness is a touchy subject, but I've been there, I think most of us have seen da crazies. But I'm sure changing how we receive those people couldn't improve a thing or two. w/e.

debating it is near pointless, all I know is, everything is just people. We basically give ourselves what power we have. welcome 2 da machine
yes i am high right now.

for anyone interested:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-820206505264515422&hl=en#

lol

[Flaming_Dingleberry]

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I've taken a lot of drugs for my age and am still very smart. they can life changing for the better.

Agreed.

[fido123]

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http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s777336.htm

http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/2402434.htm

Weed can have darker side effects. It's a catalyst to schizophrenia, and probably has other effects on the mental health of people. When I smoked more heavily than I currently do, I got paranoid. Not the kind of paranoia where I thought people were out to get me, but I over-analysed everything in my life and focused on negative aspects on my life to a great extent. I know other people who have similar experiences to me, and have lost a lot of direction in their life. I also know people who don't have this problem at all. Overall I'd say weed is a safe drug though, alcohol is far more dangerous in my opinion, but there are a lot of people who experience negative mental side-effects with heavy use of it.

[Mans0n]

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Agreed.

ohh your cool guy now huh?

[aperson]

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The thing is, is that your anecdotal evidence completely goes against what is known to be the truth about what marijuana does for those who either have epilepsy, or are more prone to getting a seizure.

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Marijuana actually sooths and controls seizures by dulling the eletrical activity in between the brain-between the axon and synapse-by the method of thc.

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Thc itself is anti-conductive of eletricity because it is a waxy like substance so I find your statement a little hard to believe considering that seizures are caused by excessive neuronal activity within the brain.

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[aperson]

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http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/307/1/129.full

Here, using the rat pilocarpine model of epilepsy, we show that the marijuana extract Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (10 mg/kg) as well as the cannabimimetic, 4,5-dihydro-2-methyl-4(4-morpholinylmethyl)-1-(1-naphthalenyl-carbonyl)-6H-pyrrolo[3,2,1-i,j]quinolin-6-one [R(+)WIN55,212 (5 mg/kg)], completely abolished spontaneous epileptic seizures. Conversely, application of the cannabinoid CB1 receptor (CB1) antagonist, N-(piperidin-1-yl-5-(4-chlorophenyl)-1-(2,4-dichlorophenyl)-4-methyl-1H-pyrazole-3-carboxamidehydrochloride (SR141716A), significantly increased both seizure duration and frequency. In some animals, CB1 receptor antagonism resulted in seizure durations that were protracted to a level consistent with the clinical condition status epilepticus. Furthermore, we determined that during an short-term pilocarpine-induced seizure, levels of the endogenous CB1 ligand 2-arachidonylglycerol increased significantly within the hippocampal brain region. These data indicate not only anticonvulsant activity of exogenously applied cannabinoids but also suggest that endogenous cannabinoid tone modulates seizure termination and duration through activation of the CB1 receptor.

[Syhto]

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http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s777336.htm

http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/2402434.htm

Weed can have darker side effects. It's a catalyst to schizophrenia, and probably has other effects on the mental health of people. When I smoked more heavily than I currently do, I got paranoid. Not the kind of paranoia where I thought people were out to get me, but I over-analysed everything in my life and focused on negative aspects on my life to a great extent. I know other people who have similar experiences to me, and have lost a lot of direction in their life. I also know people who don't have this problem at all. Overall I'd say weed is a safe drug though, alcohol is far more dangerous in my opinion, but there are a lot of people who experience negative mental side-effects with heavy use of it.

Sounds like it was your fault to me. Mental preparedness is a key factor when choosing to use drugs. Not trying to call you out on it, only suggesting that perhaps it wasn't a good idea to use anything heavily or continuously if you were unstable. But that's just what happens, when people get caught in a rut. Still, the drug isn't really at fault.

[Izzy]

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I've never taken any illegal drugs but I've had high doses of laughing gas. I can say that I don't prefer to be in that state of mind. I like to be as conscious as I can be. I'm sure some people like being that way, but it's not for me.

My only experience with laughing gas was pretty bothersome actually. Aside from my body feeling really heavy to the point where I couldn't control my limbs I could swear my head was playing tricks on me. I could think perfectly rationally but everything felt so surreal that I couldn't tell if I was actually thinking rationally. My vision was fine at first and then everything from the right smeared across to the left to the point where it looked like windows lagging and dragging a window across the screen. The people were talking about thanksgiving or something and I could swear they were just repeating the same sentence over and over.

[aperson]

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Sounds like it was your fault to me. Mental preparedness is a key factor when choosing to use drugs.

This sounds like a really ez way to just ignore any possible downside of a drug. "O obv u just werent mentally prepared."

Pretty fucen stupid Syhto, I was pretty mentally prepared for the times I did LSD and it left me w/ somethin close to anxiety disorder for awhile just bc of its mechanism of action.

[Syhto]

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OK. I know. It doesn't always apply, especially with more intense drugs. There's no way to be prepared for some things. Smoking a lot of pot is diff. than taking acid. I'm kind of biased with my entire PoWeR of da MinD philosophy

But I've definitely been there

I think my point is more that we have to respect the power of drugs, respect our own limits, take it one step at a time and learn how to cope with what happens to us. It makes more sense to me to do that than just make it all illegal, spread lies around, propagate shit to deter people from using in obtuse ways.

[HoneyMelonCalibrator]

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Izzy, your laughing gas was laced with LSD.

[korny]

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http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/medical/challenges/litigators/medical/conditions/epilepsy.cfm

http://www.wildwoodhealth.com/index.php/plants-a-herbs/167-should-marijuana-be-legal

[Izzy]

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Izzy, your laughing gas was laced with LSD.

Gas laced with liquid lol. I wouldn't have thought laughing gas could produce any kind of hallucinations but I guess too much of anything can do it. Maybe they just didn't notice how high they had it on.

Nitrous oxide can cause analgesia, depersonalization, derealization, dizziness, euphoria, and some sound distortion.[26] Research has also found that it increases suggestibility and imagination.[27] Inhalation of nitrous oxide for recreational use, with the purpose to cause euphoria and slight hallucinations, began as a phenomenon for the British upper class in 1799, known as "laughing gas parties"

I guess there you have it. It was depersonalization, derealization, sound distortion and moderate hallucinations.

[Mans0n]

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I guess there you have it. It was depersonalization, derealization, sound distortion and moderate hallucinations.

when you explain it that way it sounds unappealing but the actual feeling is amazing. I've always thought it would be cool to be schizophrenic for a short period of time just for the hell of it. and that's pretty much acid for ya though I've never actually dropped acid before. Just have done mushrooms a number of times.