Drugs

[Reincarnate]

Re: Drugs

Use your best judgment

[Yieldsign]

Re: Drugs

Since illegal drugs kill people, I can't help but saying illegal drugs are bad.

PS No way you're going to have a very stimulating conversation on legal drugs, and there's no reason to argue against them since the worst thing that can happen while taking them is some stupid side effect.

Trying cocaine once can kill you, taking an aspirin can save your life.

so in summary: Good drugs good, bad drugs bad.

Are you serious? Are you serious?

While I'm no longer naive enough to support a fully libertarian blanket legalization of drugs, I'm certainly not naive enough to spout what you just said.

Since illegal drugs kill people, I can't help but saying illegal drugs are bad.

Yeah because nothing legal has the potential to kill you if used irresponsibly. It's not like people regularly overdose on alcohol or anything (yeah, when you're vomiting your guts out over a toilet, this is an overdose). By the way, it's pretty factually wrong to say that the worst alcohol can do is a few "stupid side effects." Pretty sure alcohol causes a far larger amount of deaths than marijuana. So does oxycodone, hydrocodone, benzodiazepines (which, incidentally are one of the most commonly used suicide medications), skeletal muscle relaxers, and a variety of other legal medications. There are many very dangerous prescription medications out there that are often more addictive than a lot of street drugs. Oxycodone is more addictive than non-freebase cocaine, physically. So is morphine. Get your facts straight.

Trying cocaine once can kill you, taking an aspirin can save your life.

This is so over the top it disgusts me. What are you, straight out of D.A.R.E.? The great majority of people who try cocaine do not die after cocaine use, especially the first time. Britain consumes 50 tons of cocaine each year, and I doubt you see 1,000,000 + Brits dying each year from first time cocaine use.

PS No way you're going to have a very stimulating conversation on legal drugs

how presumptuous, but it turns out not everyone has the same high school opinion as you on drugs. In fact, some people actually know anything.

[Reincarnate]

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It all comes down to how responsible you are when using a particular substance. However, I think sometimes it's hard to say something like "responsible heroin user" and have it be accurate in most cases. Some substances are simply harder on your system than others and screw with things in various ways. Your best bet is to simply educate yourself and understand the risks before you go do something incredibly stupid.

[kommisar]

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if you guys are going to base effects on statistics, this thread is done for lmao.


% of people who die from first use of drug
% of people who die from overdose
% of people who develop mental illness from drugs
% of people who use drugs regularly with no physical side effects

etc.


there isn't a "responsible" way to take drugs, but there are obvious dumbshits who go over the top

[JenovaSephiroth]

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I'm really not liking the level of uninformed opinion going on in this thread.

Rather than drawing the line between what is illegal and legal, you have to more think about the potential to harm yourself in the process. Opiates (cocaine, heroin, oxy, etc) happens to provide a massive rush. Massive is a severe understatement here, though, as the effects would actually cause so much happiness that you would literally never experience that same level of happiness again, even on subsequent attempts, which is the big danger here. Chasing the dragon is what sends people on the dark road of opiate addiction, and it is incredibly difficult to turn back, both physically and mentally. My opinion on it is that you would need an insane amount of self control, which most people do not have, so if you get sucked in, I won't judge you, but don't come crying to me. Have I tried opiates? No. Would I ever want to? No, because I am very sure that I wouldn't have what it takes to make it back.

As for drugs that are not as dangerous (LSD, shrooms, MDMA, etc), it all depends on your state of mind. How you feel going into it can make or break your experience, and a horrible enough bad trip can potentially put your mind into a state that it can't return from, but from various trip reports I've read at erowid (everyone, seriously, look up erowid.org before talking), there were massive mistakes that they have made. I've had E, and have had both good and bad experiences from it. Does my brain have holes in it? That's yet to be seen. :P

tl;dr: be objective about it and do some research before blabbering on about what DARE told you

[Kilroy_x]

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It's kinda out of subject, but I don't see the point of living if it's about escaping from your perceptions that allows you to feel the world, just concentrate on how to be positive and the time will help you. Unless there is actually no way from escaping to your conditions.

My perceptions don't necessarily allow me to feel the world, and being aware of the world and of my problems doesn't necessarily mean being able to navigate the world or solve my problems. There are all kinds of problems I can see but not solve. There are all kinds of pains which blur my perception of reality. Admittedly drugs themselves obfuscate perception in their own capacity, but it's a trade-off, and it isn't always bad.

My body, for example, causes me a significant amount of distress. My life experiences cause a significant amount of distress. Both of these are a part of me, I can't escape them but I can certainly conceal them to an extent or dress them up. There are ways I can do this through my sheer force of will, or which my brain does automatically. My attraction to the furry aesthetic and association with my fursona are examples of this, they allow me to organize my perception of my body (for certain purposes) around a surrogate which takes away some of the discomfort I have. Alcohol and Marijuana have proven to be similarly beneficial, although I couldn't give you an exact explanation of how.

If I were just poor or something then you would be right. Drugs are overwhelmingly associated with the poor, and most of them (those who aren't unprotected minorities condemned by the dominant belief systems of the states they live in) can improve their situation with limited effort. I really don't see an inherent problem with escapism though. There's only so much fighting a person can be expected to do before they start taking measures to lessen the pain of their circumstances rather than making futile efforts to change them.

[aperson]

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if you guys are going to base effects on statistics, this thread is done for lmao.


% of people who die from first use of drug
% of people who die from overdose
% of people who develop mental illness from drugs
% of people who use drugs regularly with no physical side effects

etc.


there isn't a "responsible" way to take drugs, but there are obvious dumbshits who go over the top

There is an easy way to statistically rigorize the danger of a drug: The LD50 / AD50 of a given drug. I.e. the ratio of the dosage that kills 50% of subjects to the dosage that is tangibly 'active' for a drug. This is documented in medical literature for most drugs.

Things like heroin are intrinsically more 'dangerous' because the LD50 / AD50 is very low, i.e. the difference between a recreational and fatal dosage is small.

[ScylaX]

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@ap Oh, you know, I don't have any biased opinion on reason that makes people take drug as long as they don't get depreciable consequences from it. The post you quoted was an answer to kilroy's post according to the thread's matter and it made me think he took drug to escape reality.

As long as you have reasons that justifies perfectly the fact you consume it, I find it perfectly fine. I know it's not just the kind of thing I'd do to discover myself, and it's more a personnal opinion than something I'd debate on.

[aperson]

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If it grows on the ground, or in the ground, i say go for it. Definitely weed. All that man made garbage is horrible for you.

[ichliebekase]

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It would probably help the cause if it weren't a bunch of stoners shouting LEGALIZE MARIJUANA MANNN!

Good point. Of course the government doesn't want to let all of those people win with their pleas and protests. But pretty soon the stoners saying to legalize it are going to calm down because slowly more and more states are legalizing it. Then the government won't feel as reluctant to legalize it and BOOM legalized marijuana.

I don't mind marijuana as much as I used to when I was younger. I did it for a while but stopped. It does mess with your memory in the long run, that's mainly why I didn't continue using it. I don't care if others do it, just don't do it around me often if you're a complete jerk when you're high. My brother's friend was a complete dick when he got high at my house a week or so ago. He is crowned the biggest jerk while high by his friends >.>

I agree, no chemical stuff, just earthly things. No shrooms though, I've seen a lot of friends get hurt while taking that crap.

My opinion on acid; I hate it. I watched a good friend of mine go from being a straight A student to failing every class and almost not graduating because he was taking acid all the time. Now that high school is over, he's a couch hopper, going from house to house because his parents kicked him out.

[Kilroy_x]

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@ap Oh, you know, I don't have any biased opinion on reason that makes people take drug as long as they don't get depreciable consequences from it. The post you quoted was an answer to kilroy's post according to the thread's matter and it made me think she took drug to escape reality.

As long as you have reasons that justifies perfectly the fact you consume it, I find it perfectly fine. I know it's not just the kind of thing I'd do to discover myself, and it's more a personnal opinion than something I'd debate on.

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[Reincarnate]

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I agree, no chemical stuff, just earthly things. No shrooms though, I've seen a lot of friends get hurt while taking that crap.

when i read stuff like this i can feel my heartbeat pulsing in my eyelid

[Reincarnate]

Re: Drugs

Please don't be Storms, guys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0W7Jbc_Vhw

[ScylaX]

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@Kilroy Ah, nevermind. I don't especially like talking about something that isn't related to the thread since I have many things to say on your post but most of them just aren't related to the initial topic of the thread and I wouldn't violate rules.

@ichiliebekase Well I don't think marijuana will end up being massively authorized in the future. Even though you'll eventually face less problem with it than with tobacco, it's just another thing compared to tobacco and alcohool that have been known and legalized since centuries (correct me if I'm wrong)

[Kilroy_x]

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@Kilroy Ah, nevermind. I don't especially like talking about something that isn't related to the thread since I have many things to say on your post but most of them just aren't related to the initial topic of the thread and I wouldn't violate rules.

You accuse me of running away from something and then run away from something when I admit to it. What a fascinating asymmetry. You can always PM me, you know. And I'm sure you could find some way to tie it to the initial discussion anyways, so I can only assume you have other motives at heart.