Drugs

[korny]

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Whenever I hear someone say legalizing all drugs is a preposterous idea, I say, please refer to portugals drug policy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_Portugal

I have done more drugs than almost anyone I know many many times over. In fact, I continue to use hard drugs on occasion to this day. Now, while I mainly smoke pot and indulge in the psychedelics, sometimes I just want to feel that heavy opiate euphoria that something only heroin can provide, and I go about using it as smart and safely as I always have and the good times ensue. Some people just have such an addictive personality that perhaps no hard drug, or any drug for that matter is for them. Punishing the smart drug users like myself because of the people who never tried or never had the opportunity to learn proper drug etiquette, is just unfair. If life liberty and the pursuit of happiness does not include the right to experiment with ones consciousness, then the declaration of independence isn't worth the hemp it's written on. Provide a way for people to learn proper drug usage, dosages, and some form of regulation to prevent people from getting more than they need (like pharmacy's do for pseudoephedrine to prevent people from making meth), and stop trying to control what people put in their bodies.

[Cavernio]

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Umm, the wiki article about portugal's drug policy is hardly an example of 'legalizing' all drugs. Its about decriminalizing personal use of them, but you are still 'sentenced' to try and get off the drugs. Nothing about production and selling of drugs. Furthermore, it also says nothing about not arresting 'smart' drug users. Portugal is just being smart and trying to treat addicts rather than shove them in jail. They are still 'cracking down' on drug users, just in a different way.

On another note, I never hear about people going to jail for possessing a personal amount of weed, or even for keeping a plant in the house. Jay walking is illegal too, but if it's not enforced, it doesn't matter that it is.

[fido123]

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On another note, I never hear about people going to jail for possessing a personal amount of weed, or even for keeping a plant in the house. Jay walking is illegal too, but if it's not enforced, it doesn't matter that it is.

Poses io. Of marajuna is a criminal offense while jay walking is not. If you get caught wit a personal amount of weed, there's a good chance they'll just throw your shit out or tell you to move, but there's also still a very good chance you have to go to court, go in for finger prints, and get diversion and do community service. It's not as relaxed as you think it is. It've done community service for it and put in front of a judge.

[korny]

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Umm, the wiki article about portugal's drug policy is hardly an example of 'legalizing' all drugs. Its about decriminalizing personal use of them, but you are still 'sentenced' to try and get off the drugs. Nothing about production and selling of drugs. Furthermore, it also says nothing about not arresting 'smart' drug users. Portugal is just being smart and trying to treat addicts rather than shove them in jail. They are still 'cracking down' on drug users, just in a different way.

On another note, I never hear about people going to jail for possessing a personal amount of weed, or even for keeping a plant in the house. Jay walking is illegal too, but if it's not enforced, it doesn't matter that it is.

We can use Portugal as a reference is more what I meant to get at, and try to do something of the like here in the united states or wherever it is that you may live. The main reason they even "sentence" people to try and get off drugs, is to reduce diseases acquired through the intravenous use of said drugs. So back to what I previously stated. If we could provide a way for people to learn proper drug usage through safer methods other than intravenous use, dosages, and some form of regulation to prevent people from getting more than they need, it would make more sense for government to stop trying to control what people put in their bodies. Portugal has made a step in the right direction, we could further this by implementing a regulated system for people to get the drugs they so desire, without having to go to the worst neighborhoods, ensuring they're getting quality and uncut product that may contain harmful additives, and ultimately to stop fueling the deadly cartel empires that profit from it all and put a little bit of that money back into our own pockets.

Now your second paragraph just screams naivety. Where I live, people are left and right being locked up for possession of the most minute amounts. Nearly a million people a year are locked up for possession of marijuana. It's a Class B misdemeanor. You will go to jail for being found in possession no ifs ands or buts about it. I can't remember the last time I've heard it going the other way around. And keeping a plant in your house? Are you kidding me? That's a felony bud. Where I live we are talking prison time; not wait until you get your court date within the county jail and get put on probation time. Marijuana is still scheduled like heroin meaning, the government who has been asked repeatedly to reduce the scheduling severity, still continues to see marijuana as a drug on the same caliber of danger, and possessing no beneficial attributes. Hmm. Seems to me like a blatant refusal to look into some of the most alleviating properties in existence. We are talking about something like cannabidiol, a cannabinoid found within pot and major constituent of the herb, that is one of the most powerful anti-oxidants, anti-inflammatory and anti-auto immune response compounds that there is.

[fido123]

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It's viewed as the most mild criminal drug with the most mild consequences in Canada. Having 3+ plants in your house is soon going to get you ****ed with the new bill being passed however I heard it's going to lighten up on possession but don't quote me on that. You'll still get ****ed if they catch you twice though and decide to act upon it both times which again, IS NOT UNCOMMON!

[korny]

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In certain areas of the United States it pretty much is as well. For the vast majority however, you will go to jail and you will more than likely either be forced to serve out a sentence or be put on probation which where i live, is a recipe for disaster and a vicious cycle for those who continue to try and get away with smoking while having to submit to random UA's. Obviously the whole point of being on probation is to learn from your mistakes, but the real mistake is having pot being illegal in the first place. Whaddaya gonna do?

[Cavernio]

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For the record, I think pot should be legal. And there's probably other recreational drugs that, if I spent enough time to learn about them, would also think they should be legal.
It would be even better that if legalizing more drugs than just alcohol, nicotine and caffeine(s) would make it less likely for people to bother using other harder drugs that are far more likely to **** you up, simply because they'd have easy, cheap access to a larger variety of highs.
I am pretty naive when it comes to drugs.

[hashishin0420]

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There really isn't anywhere on Earth that marijuana is 100% legal. However, in my area, it's treated like it is.. In fact, it's even more culturally accepted than alcohol, which is how it should be IMO. There's a few substances that are sort of worthwhile that are 100% legal that I'm going to choose not to mention, but practically everything except bud absolutely needs to be used in moderation.

[SocoNhydro420]

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The odds that anybody ever connects 'SocoNhydro420' with whatever his real name is are pretty slim, but it's still non zero. The name probably appears on his facebook somewhere.

Just FYI i dont have a Facebook/myspace/whatever... so im in the clear :>

Besides, law enforcement is more oriented in bringing down the suppliers rather than the users.

Either way dev thanks for pointing that out, if i DID have a fb it is certainly possible for my full name to get out to law enforcement.

[korny]

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There really isn't anywhere on Earth that marijuana is 100% legal.

Peru. Nepal.

Just FYI i dont have a Facebook/myspace/whatever... so im in the clear :>

Besides, law enforcement is more oriented in bringing down the suppliers rather than the users.

Either way dev thanks for pointing that out, if i DID have a fb it is certainly possible for my full name to get out to law enforcement.

If law enforcement finds me on facebook and reads about me having talked about smoking bud, dropping acid, or shooting up heroin, nothing is going to happen. No one is going to go through all the trouble and resources of finding out whether or not i'm a recreational heroin user. Because talking about doing drugs online is only proof of me talking about doing drugs online, not actually doing them and doesn't suggest anything about the real issue which is supplying them.

[devonin]

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The issue isn't law enforcement, the issue is HR departments and hiring managers. Seeing 'Korny the Bongmaster' is almost certainly going to be enough to make them pick someone else over you.

[korny]

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Seeing as their is no correlation between my ffr username, and my personal info, I fail to see the point.

[fido123]

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They still keep track of your IP in such ways such as buying information off of companies. When you sign up with them using that same information, and you're using the same IP addresses, some connctions may be made, and one might be enough to open a whole pandoras box. My friend went through the hiring process to become a cop, and he had to sign a paper saying they're allowed to query CSIS (Canadian CIA) which was able to find EVERY email address he's used in his entire life, including one me and him made together to troll some guy in our class we found out was some kind of otherkin vampire weirdo. I'm kinda scared cause I've done some pretty incredibly reduculously stupid shit on the internet.

[korny]

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Ok. Let's say I get my degree in biochemistry, and work for a very reputable chemist company. Are you saying that my company among many others, might have the capability of seeing posts made by me on a site called flashflashrevolution.com under the username korny, and knowing that someone within the household had been making said posts thereby concluding that a conflict of interest might be threatening the integrity of the company due to the nature of some of the posts? I'm just wondering within a reasonable realm to what extent my ffr usage could and would be pursued to where a future career might be jeopardized. It just doesn't seem plausible.

[devonin]

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Well, it's more like your own personal situation might not be the same as everyone else's, but it IS certainly in the realm of possiblity that say...

You have a facebook, under your real name. A prospective employer looks at your facebook. You have a list of various IM programs etc in your contact info, they're all variations on the theme 'korny'. You have a wall post referencing FFR. It's really not a stretch at all to consider they might go "ffr korny" into google and see your last bunch of posts.

Obviously these particular convergances aren't true in your particular case at this particular time, but it pays to be careful.