Drugs

[devonin]

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lol critical thinking forum is full of this judgmental garbage?
i don't think anyone has ever reasoned that marijuana should be legalized because they went to jail for it. anyone. there is simply more to it than just angst, that potheads are just mad because they are persecuted for getting high.

They are mad because they are being punished for breaking the law, when they know what they are doing is against the law, and if caught they will be punished. It is not judgemental in the least to point out the hypocrisy of that position.

there is a very legitimate argument for the use of medicinal marijuana that you are belittling with bullshit moot counterpoints like this.

The person I was addressing was carrying enough weed to be busted as a dealer, for the personal recreational use of them and several other people. They were not a medicinal user. I've also already stated that I don't think it should be illegal. Your point here has nothing whatsoever to do with anything I've said.

you are also speaking from a privileged perspective. talk about drugs in canada if you want, but it's just not fair for you to think you can compare a drug user's life in canada to a drug user's life in america. the real world just isn't as black-and-white as the law would lead you to believe.

I didn't say anything, ever, at any point, about anything that had to do with what country you live in. My point goes like this:
1/ It is against the law
2/ You knew it was against the law
3/ You did it anyway
4/ You got caught, and were punished according to the law
5/ Given 2/ and 3/ I have no sympathy for the fact that you knowingly broke the law and were punished accordingly

What does Canadianity or Americanity have to do with that reasoning in the slightest?

[MagicCarpetRide]

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I didn't say anything, ever, at any point, about anything that had to do with what country you live in. My point goes like this:
1/ It is against the law
2/ You knew it was against the law
3/ You did it anyway
4/ You got caught, and were punished according to the law
5/ Given 2/ and 3/ I have no sympathy for the fact that you knowingly broke the law and were punished accordingly

I agree with this for the most part and for most laws. But there is so much bullshit around drug laws that I do have sympathy.

[Emithith]

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I'd rather not have weed legal to be honest. If I have to breathe it on city corners like Tobacco smoke, then nope. Other than that if people can be civil (hah!) then I'm all for it. Just my opinion on weed

[prodigy06]

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I didn't read through the whole thread yet, but this just made me lol at work. All illegal drugs, EVEN heroin is safer than many pharmaceuticals. Aspirins can kill a person as well. Just because a man in a white smock tells you some chemical is safe to take, does not mean a thing.

Sodium Fluoride which is in ALL tap water in the US is a very deadly neurotoxin which I'm assuming you drink daily...do you think that is safe? You AREN'T supposed to swallow toothpaste filled with it, but you're supposed to drink it? I could go on and on, but I'll have to check back later when I have time to explain more. Cigarettes are worse than cocaine or heroin. Hands down. Marijuana is harmless, slows aging, makes you hungry, and stops pharmaceutical companies from making the largest profit possible. Pot is not illegal due to anything other than greed. There are no known adverse health effects known to this day. Maybe speculation, but that is all.

Cocaine will not kill you trying it unless you're trying to do way too much or doing street stuff cut with dangerous chemicals. I'm not advocating it, I'm just saying, don't listen to what you're teachers tell you. Learn things through R&D, not just being a good little listener. Don't trust anyone by what they say, you shouldn't trust me just saying things either, find out for yourself.

Drugs that are natural are not going to hurt you in moderation.

You can overdose severely on water. Everything can be a poison BESIDES cannabis, does that make sense? You could smoke pot all day and it be harmless to the body, but you could drink water all day and end up dead or in the hospital. Water is made of two deadly, explosive, chemicals. Please, DO NOT listen to the DARE croud telling you drugs are bad. Lifestyle choices are bad, as well as being a follower.

Drugs are only bad when the government is not making the money selling them to you. I've done many things over the years, and I've done them responsibly, with nothing but positive reactions and improvement to my life. I think the only things that really are nothing but bad, in my opinion are heroin, and methamphetamines. Even some amphetamines are good for you occasionally, but I do not mean smoking street meth. That is pure poison.

Why should you listen to a societal stand point on what is good or bad for YOU, or what some other guy tells you is good for you? That is total bs, people should be allowed to safely, on their own terms at home do what they will. I agree laws should be strictly enforced on driving under the influence or causing others harm. Other than that, I will do whatever I please anytime, regardless of the law. I always will.

And to Devonin, I respect your opinions, and anyone and his/her opinion for that matter, but you saying if you can't have fun without breaking laws you should be institutionalized? Seriously? Can you say you have NEVER ripped a CD? NEVER downloaded a movie, CD, copyrighted composium of some sort? Never went 5-10 mph over the speed limit? These are harmless and are completely illegal. I'm just saying, everybody can be safe and do illegal activities. We shouldn't be communistic and place people in prisons without fair trial for socialist ideals such as THAT ludicrous one you spouted.

[MagicCarpetRide]

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Drugs are only bad when the government is not making the money selling them to you.

This is unfortunately true. And don't even get me started on fluoride.

Aspirins can kill a person as well

"If you take 13 of them mother****ers it'll be your last headache."

Relevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWhUqo9Aivs

[prodigy06]

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I like you MagicCarpetRide, like your ideals I should say. I do not drink tap water at all. Only distilled and zero'd water with no PPM. People wonder why the cancer rate has went up tremendously in the past 50-60 years. In the US, you cannot find the real reason for fluoridating water, they will spout it is good for your teeth. You obviously know this is not true. It is not good for teeth. It is though a good way to medicate an entire population by poisoning the water supply and getting away with it.

I know we certainly did not consent to drinking neurotoxins in what is deemed as "safe to drink" water.

[korny]

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Water is made of two deadly, explosive, chemicals.

lmfao... I hope you're not saying what I think you're saying, and that the molecular compounds H2 and O1 are the deadly explosive chemicals, because obviously that's only true if they're made two separate things, which in the case of water, they are not.

[prodigy06]

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Yes, when seperate they are deadly. I'm not implying you're going to split the compound by mistake or something. I was using that to point out that basically in some form or other, everything in the world can actually be dangerous if it were to be misused. Drugs, weapons, etc. But that doesn't mean it should be taken away.

Thanks for explaining something blatantly obvious. It's a very stable compound and I know it does not easily break down.

[korny]

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That's like saying 60% of your body has the potential to be deadly in some shape or form. I understand what you're trying to say, but that analogy is just silly.

[prodigy06]

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I guess I do agree, that was pretty lame.

I just laugh when people knock things when they don't have a justified reason to do so.

"Weed is bad for you, I've never tried it, I don't know why it is. I was told it was."

[Reincarnate]

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Yes, any normally-safe object/substance can be used in an abusive manner -- who cares? You can kill someone with an eraser if you really wanted to, but it's going to be a lot easier with a gun. The question is where the cutoff point should be along the spectrum of reasonable harm/use.

[prodigy06]

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But who care about a cut off point either? This thread was about the opinion of drugs. My opinion is that they are bad if abused, and that if people are to say drugs that are illegal are all bad for you, then they should take a look at other things that are also very bad for people.

As for a cut off just relating to what should be illegal because it is extremely dangerous; Meth, Heroin, Cigarettes, crack, PCP.

There is just part of me that says that isn't freedom. People should make the decision on what they are going to put in their own bodies, and so I also believe government shouldn't be allow to make drugs illegal if they aren't marketed in stores where kids could buy them.

[MagicCarpetRide]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yezDGwmGqdM

[Aldentron]

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That's not the point. The law is law, if you break it you're punished for it. It doesn't matter how many shades of grey, the system will always see you as black or white, to a certain degree.

my point is that it does not take critical thinking to come to the conclusion that people who are in jail are there because they broke the law. my point is if you think the main idea behind marijuana legislation reform is to keep people that break the law out of jail, you are not considering the main grievances and are disseminating a valid argument across moot points. this does not belong in a forward or progressive-thinking discussion.

What does Canadianity or Americanity have to do with that reasoning in the slightest?

the length of the list of variables is incomprehensible to me, as i have not been a drug user in canada. but here are just a few factors to consider:
-incarceration experiences (canadian vs. american)
-quality of substance
-price of substance
-price of getting caught

simply put, the experiences are just different in ways that cannot really be quantified. that is what i mean by "privilege." you won't know what it's like to be discriminated against as a black person because you will never be a black person. similarly, you won't know what it's like to face persecution for supporting mexican gang wars as an american if you're not an american. so please don't compare being a drug dealer in canada to being a drug dealer in america. they are two very different jobs.

for future reference, i was not using this as an argument that people who buy weed should not go to jail. there is no point in arguing about that, and i don't really care to see it in a "critical thinking" discussion

I'd rather not have weed legal to be honest. If I have to breathe it on city corners like Tobacco smoke, then nope. Other than that if people can be civil (hah!) then I'm all for it. Just my opinion on weed

if it makes you feel any better, i have been medicated for the last 3 weeks and haven't smoked at all. there is more than one way to consume marijuana without smoking. the only reason you don't know about it yet is because you're a good law-abiding citizen and don't dabble in dirty illegal drugs in the first place.

The question is where the cutoff point should be along the spectrum of reasonable harm/use.

in my opinion this question should be the essence of the thread. somehow this thread devolved to telling people they deserve to be in jail for breaking the law, which is something a 4 year old could have told me.

[prodigy06]

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Right, the question was what do you think of drugs, not involve legality in your opinion of drugs.