Atheism/Theism thread

[ilikexd]

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You say they arent atheists. You also say they arent theists. You also say you have not asked them to justify/defend/reason their ideas about God.

You must be confused then. If your family believes in a God, then they are theists. If you don't understand why they are theists, that doesnt mean they aren't theists. It doesn't seem like they are agnostic, it's more of a matter that you just haven't spoke with them on the subject. You still lied though even if wasn't intentional, you just didn't realize it.

My brother is agnostic and my mother is something of a pantheist. I have asked them what they call themselves. I didn't get into detail so far as asking them to justify their reasoning.

[JJTrixX]

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You made a mistake.

"I don't know" was a response to "Why do you think they aren't atheists?"
"No" was a response to "Are your family members atheists?"

I understand you may have a reading deficiency, but please bear with me. You posted the exact same aforementioned dialogue in chronolgical order as I have, take a a couple minutes to compare both of our posts and you will see. I said you have lied because you say your family members aren't theists just because you haven't asked them about their ideas of God.

Ok so your mother is "something of a pantheist". Is that what she told you or is she not sure what she is? What about your father?

[Nullifidian]

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I understand you may have a reading deficiency

[ilikexd]

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I understand you may have a reading deficiency, but please bear with me. You posted the exact same aforementioned dialogue in chronolgical order as I have, take a a couple minutes to compare both of our posts and you will see. I said you have lied because you say your family members aren't theists just because you haven't asked them about their ideas of God.

I skipped second grade because of my exceptional reading abilities. I'm currently very interested in linguistics, can speak three languages, and am employed as a Spanish tutor.

I see you posted the same conversation that I did. I didn't see that you had posted it before I posted it because I did not refresh the page.

I asked my brother and mother, "What do you think about God?". They answered, "I'm an agnostic." and "I'm something of a pantheist.", respectively.

I say my family members aren't theists (at least in the sense of traditional monotheism) because that is what they say.

[Mollocephalus]

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jj will you take a moment to reply to this?

Jj continues yet again to support the laughable concept that life without god is a miserable life.

Whoever drilled that concept in your head, i feel pity for you. there is SO MUCH you can experience to be one with the universe, so many different scales of emotional intensities you can feel for other people, for yourself, and for the beauty of life in general, that god is not the only way to get to them. It's actually the worst way, designed for people who can't think for themselves, or have been carefully instructed not to. But i suppose that while i find your faith to be source of bigotry, misleading, deeply wrong and as a whole disgusting, you will never understand the heights a person can reach just with human mind's innate curiosity, exploring and discovering life and the universe. To you everything outside your little fairytale world is nonsense. I'd leave it a that, but if i can understand why you feel what you feel through faith, why can't you understand that someone could experience a similar feeling of "ascension" or even a stronger one through the simple pleasure of discover and being intimately connected to the world? I just want you to reply to this, if you can.

[ilikexd]

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Ok so your mother is "something of a pantheist". Is that what she told you or is she not sure what she is? What about your father?

She told me that; my father is deceased, and I don't know.

[JJTrixX]

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She told me that; my father is deceased, and I don't know.

Pantheism is a very broad viewpoint but in terms of religion, has several elements that tie to Hinduism and Taoism which says ultimately the universe has come forth from the Divine, all things and beings are "sacred" and must be treated so in human thought and action. The quality of most theism beliefs(including Christianity) are actually very similar to each other as opposed to atheistic beliefs which focuses constantly on the seperation of the Divine or the unity of the Universe by idolizing "human thought" and the capacity of "human thought" alone holds the highest degree of prominence. The concept of devoted atheists do not utilize the significance of "sacred" heart-felt actions because they would say the sole functioning purpose of the heart is to provide a continuous blood circulation through the cardiac cycle. Therefore one who's mind is strictly focused on the obtainment of knowledge in "science", will never experience the full abundant knowledge of "love".

Yes, the devoted atheist will never love as much as the devoted theist.

Theist - Love > Science
Atheist - Science > Love

[Mollocephalus]

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I like how you've avoided replying when called out two times in a row.

[star reaper]

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One thing i have noticed about this entire conversation is that many people are assuming facts about one another. I honestly find it annoying seeing that many have assumed something that isn't true.

[JJTrixX]

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I like how you've avoided replying when called out two times in a row.

My reply is this: How can you "understand why I feel what I feel through faith" if you say, " I find your faith to be source of bigotry, misleading, deeply wrong, and as a whole disgusting"?

The fact is you don't understand.

[Nullifidian]

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Yes, the devoted atheist will never love as much as the devoted theist.

Theist - Love > Science
Atheist - Science > Love

This assumption is complete bogus. What do you even base this on? lol

[Dorby]

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The fact is

No.

[bmah]

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You don't know because you have yet to know the love of God. One day you will.

I know you mean well JJTrixX, but please don't preach onto others implying that they don't know any better. We can express our own views, but they're not to be imposed on others like that.


Also, at this point, I'm just going to move the thread to Chit Chat.

[noname219]

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Yes, the devoted atheist will never love as much as the devoted theist.

Theist - Love > Science
Atheist - Science > Love

That's rude to say.
You can't ask someone (theist or atheist) to chose between love or science.

Do you think animals (except the human) are capable of love ? Or anger ? Or happiness ? Do you think they can feel these emotions ?

[JJTrixX]

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This assumption is complete bogus. What do you even base this on? lol

The truth. If you beleive it not to be true, then explain to me why you think it isn't true?

Interestingly enough, I find that whenever i make a statement that actually makes sense to an atheist, instead of explaining why they disagree, they instantly bash it by saying, "it's bogus" or "that's ridiculous" because it's either that or admitting said truth to be correct, and an atheist will never admit to it because they do not understand love entirely.

"I know you mean well JJTrixX, but please don't preach onto others implying that they don't know any better."

@ bmah: I understand and you are absolutely right but if you are going to take the time to tell me this, then take the time to say this in the countless other instances throughout this thread where someone has "preached onto others implying that they don't know any better." Do not succumb to bias just because the majority of posters in this thread are atheist.