Official Tier Point System Thread

[One Winged Angel]

Re: Official Tier Point System Thread

I envisioned something like five different tier systems being created. The first with VD/C files, the second with C/VC, third with VC/FMO, fourth with FMO/FGO, and the fifth removing some of the lower FMOs and adding in higher FGOs and FSOs. Obviously not every VD/C/VC/FMO file would be included in the first four tiers because lmao there's so god damn many, and I'm pretty sure we've stuck to a rule of about 100 songs per list.

So as a community, I think all the active players should decide which songs should be thrown into their respective tiers, and how each of these files should award tier points (I have an idea right now but I'll throw that in the new thread)

As to how a player would progress from each tier list, my original idea was that once a player collects enough TPs from the first list, it'll automatically update their list to the second/third/fourth/fifth, keeping any points on songs that survived the transition~

But yeah, lol some very good players are damn lazy and aren't ever going to be playing VDs/Cs

I'm terrible at coding, but would it be possible to keep an invisible stat of how many tier points a player would hypothetically have if they were to have another 'harder' tier list as their current one? Let's say Xayphon's playing on an alt or something (lul) and he's murking all the FMOs/FGOs but his tp list is still the VD/C original list. Perhaps once you collect enough tier points from a higher list, say 100 or so (perhaps higher, and you wouldn't be able to see this stat), the system automatically updates to the more 'appropriate' tier list for that player?

And it would be awesome if the TP system could support X/10 or higher reqs on songs, because if we were to scale the difficulties accordingly with the system in place right now, Cs would be out of 2 or 3

Unless of course, since each level is independent of each other, we completely scrap that and use a system close to that of the current FMOs/FGOs (lower Cs are out of 4, mid Cs out of 5, high Cs/low VCs out of 6, mid VCs out of 7, and high VCs out of 8)

That would work since those songs would be scaled down in points (or eliminated) whenever the user gains enough TPs to progress to the next level

I dunno, just throwin' some shit out there~

[krunkykai22]

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This is what I said in the closed thread about levels of tier points.

Byron, that was the best way to express the best opinion about the tier point system.

Personally, 100% I agree with everything you said. EVERYONE the COMMUNITY should work on this and come to an agreement whether it winds up with over 1000 points or 10,000 points, everyone should have the same equal opportunity.

I say personally developing a Leveled Tier Point System, Level 1 being songs from difficulty 1-5, Level 2 6-8, Level 3 9-10, Level 4 11-12, Level 5 13. I say that because 1-5 are easily the best levels to get acquainted with the game, 6-8 throws in a lot MORE patterns and what not, 9-10 is a great entrepreneur to 11/12 and of course the high end is what it is.

and EVERYONE can get ALL of the tier points if they wanted. And, not to mention you can do it in a way where, take myself for example, if the lower end levels of the tier point system as I said were implemented we would have to go back and get them. Makes more challenge whether easy or not to acquire those tier points if we want, just giving them to us because we already did them shouldn't matter.

Might be way off there, but it's justt my opinion. But of course, we would keep what we have now with the 10s-13's since hey, who knows if we'll ever get them again.

OR, just completely make everyone redo it anyway. Either which way, it creates more playing, more practice, and more competition which is just a slither of what FFR needs to get more motivated.

[nois-or-e]

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I envisioned something like five different tier systems being created. . .

Would 5 really be needed? Imo, if you are scoring tps on fmos/fgos, adding the 'few' fso songs and removing the lower fmos seems a little redundant.

//2cents

[One Winged Angel]

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I imagined the fourth level being something like 80% FMOs and 20% low FGOs, and the fifth being something like 40 FMOs (since there's almost 100 right now, so like Perfect Cherry Storm and harder), every FGO (close to 60 in-game right now), and the few FSOs

There'd be a big difference between both lists

[justin_ator]

Re: Official Tier Point System Thread

@ nois-or-e

I somewhat agree with that, but then you have people who can AAA FGO's placed with people who have maybe one FMO AAA. A fifth division would separate most of that out, I'd think.

[raskanally]

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we could just make Tiers for every 2 difficulties after 6.
The first few difficulty levels of the game are just warm ups.
I think from about 6 on the different patters start to emerge.

Tier 1:13-12
Tier 2:11-10
Tier 3:9-8
Tier 4:7-6

and if need be a tier 0 with the really ridiculous songs.

[nois-or-e]

Re: Official Tier Point System Thread

The first with VD/C files, the second with C/VC, third with VC/FMO, fourth with FMO/FGO, and the fifth removing some of the lower FMOs and adding in higher FGOs and FSOs.

Assuming your people with only a few fmo aaas would still be within the threshold of the VC/FMO bracket, as opposed to being thrown in with the people beasting FGOs

I'd imagine that a line would have to be drawn between graduating from one tier to the next. . .

[One Winged Angel]

Re: Official Tier Point System Thread

Oh yeah for sure, you'd have to gather quite a hefty sum of points from any given list in order to be bumped up to the next one lol

We'd brainstorm numbers in the new thread if something like this were to be adopted but I'm thinking at least 500 points from any given list (assuming that we're not going to scale down the difficulties for tp value and each list is going to have a cumulative total of around 800 points up for grabs)

[i love you]

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I am really loving this discussion. Keep it up guys!

PS: I would like to be the one who makes the new thread if you guys do not mind. There is something I really want to do/plan out before the thread is actually made. Give me at MOST 3 days. If you guys do not see a new thread open by the end of Friday then feel free to just make the thread anyway. In the meantime, please continue to post your thoughts about the new system on this thread.

[nois-or-e]

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@ ily: done ;D

This is a really healthy discussion leading towards what could be a whole new system in which tier points are created to include players of all skill levels.

[Emithith]

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I think all fmo/fgo/fso songs should be tiers. I also think that only a handful of the harder VCs should be tiers. Nothing lower. We could call them skill points, but tierpoints make sense too.

[Xayphon]

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Imma put my few cents in here too, sorry if some sentences are a bit wack and not well written


First of all, the Tier Points table needs to be modernized. It just looks too plain and simple and it needs a rewipe. Maybe a Tierpoints list
with the style of the "Beta Level Reader" (BLR is available for Vets only as of now), showing extended Tier Point statistics, e.g.
Total Tierpoints, Bonus Tier Points, current Tier Level (if you remember these T0, T1, T2 etc thingies) and direct links
to the Tier Point threads or FAQs in the forums or something to prevent a flood of threads like the standalone stuff. Can't think of how
it should look like and more.


Secondly: Imo, Tier Points shouldn't be just representing how skilled a person is. It should be some kind of motivational aspect for the player,too, so he/she is willing to keep playing.
Tier Points are, in my eyes, a reward of getting good scores. And a reward usually is supposed to make people happy or motivated, no?

Of course this requires additional thinking and discussing, but I'm sure it adds a better sense to Tier Points.

I couldn't think of any good ways of how to implement this idea, but I was thinking of something like this: Take the old designations for Tier Levels
[Beginner Tier/Advanced Tier/Master Tier/God Tier] and split the whole Tier points system into those areas. Splitting the TP table into 6 (just like we always have 6 divisions in tourneys) is harsh, so let's just take 4,
for example.

I was thinking of something looking like this:



-----GOD TIER-----

[xxx songs with high x/8 and x/9 requirements]

-----MASTER TIER-----

[xxx songs with high x/7 and low x/8 requirements]

-----ADVANCED TIER-----

[xxx songs with x/6 and low x/7 requirements]

-----BEGINNER TIER-----

[xxx songs with below x/5 requirements (if we are going to have those)]

just for example




At this moment you may be asking yourself "What's so motivational about this?"; Well, imagine you're a beginner player like back in the days, and this kind
of system has already been implemented. If you get high song requirement points, you would be like "holy shit yes I got my first GOD TIER point !!" or something.


Not only does this add some kind of motivational system; - Because it seems like a lot of people don't know how good they actually are, this
kind of list would give the user a basic idea of their own skill level.

Another motivational system would be Tier Point get pop-up windows. Of course I don't want every single Tier Point get to pop up on the ingame screen like when you get a skill token, but it could be made as a small popup window on the down right, like as if someone gets online on Skype/AIM/Steam or w/e, saying "You just earned a TP! [enter random text here]!". It could be included in BW.


(Yeah, I know that the current scoring system pretty much destroys my idea but w/e, it would look nice!!!)


Ya.


e: longest post I've ever made derp

[raskanally]

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i like that idea Xayphon.

also you could have the results screen show their current tier and point they have.
Maybe display it as kind of like an EXP bar in MMO's.
Have it span the bottom of the results screen so you know how close you are to maxing out your current tier.

EDIT: what if after they get around 80% or more of the tier points for their current tier they can choose whether to move up to the next one or stay and max out the one they are on?

[igotrhythm]

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Raskanally, we already have those on our profiles under our AAA and FC bars. (Though, it is kind of a downer to have to leave the game to check your tier requirements.)

I personally disagree with there being multiple levels of Tier Points on the grounds that then there would be even more interminable discussion about which songs in the lower levels should grant these devalued points. I mean, look how much we're going back and forth over the current list, and you want to make MORE lists?!

[raskanally]

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it would def make for a lot more discussions, but we def need to find a way to give the newer players something to work towards other then when they can FC an 11.