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  • LJRoX
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    • Mar 2005
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    #181
    Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

    Infinity x 0 = 0

    1 x 0 = 0
    2 x 0 = 0

    40394039409 x 0 = 0

    Correct?

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    • talisman
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      • May 2003
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      #182
      Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

      incorrect.

      reread the thread.

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      • LJRoX
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        • Mar 2005
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        #183
        Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

        kkay =)


        edit: ahhh now i see okay

        I read shash's post.

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        • A2_Sauce
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          • Sep 2006
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          #184
          Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

          Here's another question to think about: In pi, is there a string of a googolplex 0's somewhere? Is this "probability" or is there an actual yes or no answer? Some mathmatician once told me that it was probability and that let's say in a 10 digit random number... the chances of having a string of one 0 is 1/10... therefore the chances for a googolplex 0's in pi are very slim? feed back please

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          • Kilgamayan
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            • Feb 2003
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            #185
            Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

            I would imagine that if there really was a string of 0s that long people would have long since assumed pi was rational.
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            • Doug31
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              • Jun 2004
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              #186
              Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

              Originally posted by A2_Sauce
              Here's another question to think about: In pi, is there a string of a googolplex 0's somewhere? Is this "probability" or is there an actual yes or no answer? Some mathmatician once told me that it was probability and that let's say in a 10 digit random number... the chances of having a string of one 0 is 1/10... therefore the chances for a googolplex 0's in pi are very slim? feed back please
              The way things were in my mind, since pi had an infinity of decimals, and it's transendental, I thought it would eventually use ANY pattern of numbers, as long as the pattern is only a finite number of digits long. Same with e. I may be wrong, though, but this is what I think.

              Edit: But wouldn't infinity (1/10)^googolplex/1 chances come out to a chance of 1?

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              • Shashakiro
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                • Aug 2005
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                #187
                Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

                Assuming that the decimal digits of pi are truly random and non-repeating, then yes, there will be a string of a googleplex 0's somewhere in there.
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                • GuidoHunter
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                  #188
                  Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

                  What do you mean by "truly random"? You know that there's a method to calculate pi to any number of digits, so I don't see where any sort of randomness is found.

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                  • eagleboy
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                    • Feb 2006
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                    #189
                    Pi's String of Zeroes?

                    Originally posted by Doug31
                    Edit: But wouldn't infinity (1/10)^googolplex/1 chances come out to a chance of 1?
                    Afraid not, Doug... see, putting a number x with a value of 0<x<1 to a power will result in a DECREASE of the value, rather than an INCREASE with x>1...

                    For example:

                    1/10 -> for argument's sake, 0.1

                    0.1 X 0.1 becomes:

                    0.1
                    *0.1
                    ->.01

                    or 1/100, which is CLEARLY visible as:

                    1/100<1/10.

                    So ((1/10)^(lim k --> inf))/1 (this, meaning basically as k gets bigger)

                    Will eventually become so scant that the probability turns out to be damn near 0 of that many zeroes being in a row.

                    But, considering probability isn't a law, I can't say that this theorem is wrong, per se, since pi is never-ending. But I can lay a HEAVY argument against it, given the variables and formulaic equations. This would also apply to the number e. It's uncertain, as, though we have computers that can calculate into the trillions of digits of the decimal portion, we have no proof for or against the argument of their irrationalities, since we have yet to find that elusive repeating digit string.
                    Last edited by eagleboy; 12-9-2006, 03:19 PM.


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                    • skaterjon411
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                      • May 2004
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                      #190
                      Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

                      I don't see how Infinity is Even Usable in some maths. not as a repeating but in an equation. Ive Always have thought of it as an Idea more then an actual numbers. To me it shows something with no solution, providing a Void answer, For the fact it is a Unknown and Impossible.

                      My two cents

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                      • Reach
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                        • Jun 2003
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                        #191
                        Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

                        Originally posted by Shashakiro
                        Assuming that the decimal digits of pi are truly random and non-repeating, then yes, there will be a string of a googleplex 0's somewhere in there.
                        Pi isn't 'truely random'.

                        I know what you're saying though. You're trying to say that you have an infinite set of random numbers, say 0 through 9 and are generated in an infinite sequence. Random here as pertaining to no physical bound; IE the numbers are not generated by any set of rules other than probabilistic ones.

                        In this case then yes there will be a string of a googleplex of 0's.


                        It's pretty easy to imagine why if you stick to the definition of infinity. Remember, it's unbounded, so there are no bounds on this string of numbers.
                        Last edited by Reach; 12-15-2006, 08:05 AM.

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                        • Chrissi
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                          • Mar 2004
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                          #192
                          Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

                          MOTHER****ER

                          I just finished typing out a whole long reply, then accidentally hit a button and it sent me to a random web address and erased the entire reply. That hasn't happened to me in AGES. I am SO ANGRY. MOTHER****ER.

                          I'm too lazy to do the whole thing again, but here we go with a bit of it:

                          Some of you, the less mathematically conscious, are thinking of a thing called "practical infinity" rather than "mathematical infinity". "Practical infinity" is the concept of infinity modified such that it actually makes sense in our world. "Practical infinity" is just a really really big number, bigger than any other number. Just really big.

                          So when you use "practical infinity", there is no problem definining 0 * infinity = 0. Because no matter how big your numbers get, anything * 0 = 0.

                          But then if you are talking about actual infinity, or "mathematical infinity" like the more mathematically inclined here are talking about, we're talking about a gigantic value that has no value. It's so big that we can't even comprehend it. We don't understand this infinity, so we can't assign it a value as "really big". It doesn't work. You can't just go "Okay, infinity is really big, BUT it still = 0 when multipled by zero." Because infinity is not just a really big number. It's something different than that. It's a concept, not a number.

                          Think of it this way...

                          Infinity * something = infinity
                          Something * 0 = 0

                          How do we put these two rules together when we say infinity * 0 = ? That is why infinity * 0 is not 0. We already have a rule for what stuff * infinity is. It's infinity. But wait! Conflicting rules! It's a paradox really. It's both infinity and 0 at the same time. But it's neither. It's undefined.


                          Also, regarding the whole "infinity - infinity = 0" business, try this on for size....

                          1 + infinity = infinity
                          2 + infinity = infinity
                          3 + infinity = infinity

                          And so on. In fact, anything + infinity = infinity.

                          So if you take infinity - infinity, how do you know which of these infinities you are looking at? Are they all the same?

                          Some infinities are bigger than others, that's just the fact of it. When you see "infinity", you have no idea what kind of infinity you are dealing with. This is why infinity - infinity is NOT zero.

                          Those who insist on using "practical infinity" may want to consider instead using Graham's number ( http://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/susan/cyc/g/graham.htm ). That's a pretty big number, which might suffice for any "practical infinity" purposes. As the page explains, this number is so large that if every particle in the universe were converted to pen and ink it would not be large enough to write it down. This number might even well be LARGER than practical infinity, since this number can't even really count anything in our universe, it's too large.
                          Last edited by Chrissi; 12-15-2006, 03:26 AM.
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                          • Vests
                            FFR Player
                            • Jun 2006
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                            #193
                            Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

                            Well considering you can't divide by zero because there would be no existence in the lack-of-a-number zero. I'm sure you're correct in one way other another, however in a technical prespective there is no way to prove one way or another what anything divided by zero would equal since in math it is the lack of a number.
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                            • Sneakyfeet
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                              • Dec 2006
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                              #194
                              Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

                              About the pi thing:

                              Well if pi is "truely random" and has a "mathematically infinite" amount of digits then the chances of there being a googolplex of 0's is a 100% chance.

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                              • dreameaters
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                                • Nov 2006
                                • 13

                                #195
                                Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

                                lol booting up an old discussion

                                any number * (inf)^-1 = 0 XD

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