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  • TheRapingDragon
    A car crash mind
    • Aug 2005
    • 9788

    #316
    Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

    Not going to even attempt to get into this whole debate, far too above me for math, but wanted to address one point.

    Originally posted by foolishwun
    1 always = 1
    if you have 1 apple and i give you another apple, you will have 2 apples
    didnt we learn this in grade 1
    Is every single apple the same weight, the same density, the same amount of juice, is every single apple in this world identical. No. If the answer was yes then 1 = 1, but looking at apples (or any other item) you could easily say that apple 1 is 0.999812% different from apple 2, thus 1 would = less than one. So 1 /= 1.

    In that way it is possible to define that 1 does not always equal 1, and so this debate is possible.

    You can even bring this theory up to 1 + 1 = 2.

    If apple one is 99.112% of apple two, then you are really doing 1 + 0.99112 which doesn't equal 2. So many possibilities.

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    • fastfingers65
      Banned
      • Sep 2006
      • 1124

      #317
      Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

      ..........

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      • darkdieuguerre
        FFR Player
        • Dec 2006
        • 32

        #318
        Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

        Originally posted by TheRapingDragon
        Not going to even attempt to get into this whole debate, far too above me for math, but wanted to address one point.



        Is every single apple the same weight, the same density, the same amount of juice, is every single apple in this world identical. No. If the answer was yes then 1 = 1, but looking at apples (or any other item) you could easily say that apple 1 is 0.999812% different from apple 2, thus 1 would = less than one. So 1 /= 1.

        In that way it is possible to define that 1 does not always equal 1, and so this debate is possible.

        You can even bring this theory up to 1 + 1 = 2.

        If apple one is 99.112% of apple two, then you are really doing 1 + 0.99112 which doesn't equal 2. So many possibilities.
        Now that's just irrelevant. An apple cannot be a percentage of something else because it is an object that exists in a certain state. If an apple is larger or smaller than another apple, that makes it an apple, and just an apple. An apple is an apple regardless of the size, type, etc. You can say that you have 98% of an apple by cutting 98% of an apple, but you can't say that a whole apple is 98% of another apple without using size, or some other quality.

        1+1=2 is a postulate. It cannot be proven, so it is assumed to be true so our whole system of mathematics works.
        If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you ever tried.

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        • lord_carbo
          FFR Player
          • Dec 2004
          • 6222

          #319
          Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

          Originally posted by darkdieuguerre
          1+1=2 is a postulate. It cannot be proven, so it is assumed to be true so our whole system of mathematics works.
          It's not assumed to be true, it is.

          Originally posted by 3D OGRE 1
          do you even know what you are talking about?
          Do you? All you said in response to my post was "do you even know what you are talking about?" as if you do... yet you never correct anything that I said! Man, that's stupid.

          To save your time, I'll answer for you: You don't. Merely because you think 1 + 1 can equal anything other than 2.

          Originally posted by TheRapingDragon
          Not going to even attempt to get into this whole debate, far too above me for math, but wanted to address one point.



          Is every single apple the same weight, the same density, the same amount of juice, is every single apple in this world identical. No. If the answer was yes then 1 = 1, but looking at apples (or any other item) you could easily say that apple 1 is 0.999812% different from apple 2, thus 1 would = less than one. So 1 /= 1.

          In that way it is possible to define that 1 does not always equal 1, and so this debate is possible.

          You can even bring this theory up to 1 + 1 = 2.

          If apple one is 99.112% of apple two, then you are really doing 1 + 0.99112 which doesn't equal 2. So many possibilities.
          One apple represents the quantity of one. Stop being overly technical by saying all apples are different. Well, okay, they're all different, but an apple is still an apple, regardless of mass, size, etc.
          Last edited by lord_carbo; 01-20-2007, 01:58 PM.
          last.fm

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          • Reach
            FFR Simfile Author
            FFR Simfile Author
            • Jun 2003
            • 7471

            #320
            Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

            Originally posted by flamingspinach
            <Reach> Mmm, Godel
            <Godel> Mmm, ReachIN FOR MA FUCEN HIDDEN RIFLE/WALKING STICK
            <Godel> FUCEN EVIL PROFESSORS
            <Godel> I AIN'T EATIN **** FUC NO
            <Godel> brb dying of starvation
            <Godel> lmfao get it
            <Godel> GODEL'S FIRST COMPLETENESS THEOREM
            <Godel> MY WORK HERE IS COMPLETE
            <Godel> QED
            * Godel has quit (broken pipe)

            ...XD

            1+1=2 is a postulate. It cannot be proven, so it is assumed to be true so our whole system of mathematics works.
            Using Godel numbering you do not really need to assume anything. I am well aware of the use of axioms and such as the foundation for...well, everything, but that is not really what I was talking about.

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            • moches
              FFR Player
              • Aug 2005
              • 3996

              #321
              Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

              Anything multiplied by 0 is 0.

              Therefore, Infinity*Zero is 0.

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              • RandomPscho
                FFR Player
                • Jun 2006
                • 504

                #322
                Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

                Zero * Infinity is an undefined operation.

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                • Reach
                  FFR Simfile Author
                  FFR Simfile Author
                  • Jun 2003
                  • 7471

                  #323
                  Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

                  moches reads threads.

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                  • archbishopjabber
                    FFR Player
                    • Dec 2005
                    • 268

                    #324
                    Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE



                    That should answer your question.
                    "Knowing information legitimately lessens genuine error. Ordinarily, research generates excellent benefit understanding social history."

                    "Guide to Freedom." Vol. 9. Page 11




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                    • moches
                      FFR Player
                      • Aug 2005
                      • 3996

                      #325
                      Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

                      Wait. Is "moches reads threads" a good thing or a bad thing.

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                      • RandomPscho
                        FFR Player
                        • Jun 2006
                        • 504

                        #326
                        Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

                        It is complete sarcasm.

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                        • perkeyone
                          FFR Player
                          • Dec 2005
                          • 240

                          #327
                          Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

                          i think in order to solve some undefined cases, certain rules should have dominance over others (ex. rule 1 (x*0=0) > rule 2 (x*inf=inf) therefor (inf*0=0) just as example)
                          using a "rule dominance" i think the undefined solutions would be the following

                          inf^0=1
                          0^0=1
                          1^inf=1
                          0^inf=0
                          inf^-1=0' (0' does not equal 0)
                          inf/inf=1
                          0/0=1
                          inf*0=0
                          (x>1)^inf=inf
                          (x<1)^inf=0'

                          ill add more as i think of things
                          THESE ARE NOT TRUE THESE ARE JUST SUGGESTIONS

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                          • perkeyone
                            FFR Player
                            • Dec 2005
                            • 240

                            #328
                            Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

                            sorry double post

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                            • GuidoHunter
                              is against custom titles
                              • Oct 2003
                              • 7371

                              #329
                              Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

                              Originally posted by perkeyone
                              THESE ARE NOT TRUE THESE ARE JUST SUGGESTIONS
                              Terrible, misleading, counterproductive suggestions.

                              Math doesn't work like that. It can't work like that.

                              --Guido


                              Originally posted by Grandiagod
                              Originally posted by Grandiagod
                              She has an asshole, in other pics you can see a diaper taped to her dead twin's back.
                              Sentences I thought I never would have to type.

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                              • RandomPscho
                                FFR Player
                                • Jun 2006
                                • 504

                                #330
                                Re: Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

                                It is called precedence, not "rule of dominance."

                                Guido is correct...

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