Infinity * Zero = Any Number ARGUE HERE

[talisman]

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math is entirely logical... I really don't see why you can't accept the logic behind infinity. It's not a difficult concept.

[A2_Sauce]

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I've trained myself to ignore mathematicians and pretend they don't exist.

HAHAHAHA, you're in luck, i'm no mathematician

[GuidoHunter]

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An engineer, a physicist and a mathematician are competing to design a fence that will fence in the largest area with the smallest amount of fencing. The engineer builds in a circle and says that it is the most efficient design. The physicist builds a very long, straight fence and says "Assume it goes to infinity and half the earth is fenced in." The mathematician says, "You guys are both idiots." He then builds a fence around himself and says, "I'm on the outside."

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[JKPolk]

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Oh hey, sorry for not knowing yet another pointless astronomical unit of measure.

I like how you laugh but still don't care to explain it.

Don't bother though. I've trained myself to ignore mathematicians and pretend they don't exist. It seems their sole purpose is to piss off logical thinkers.

I... tried to explain it...

[Shashakiro]

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Circle picture

What does a circle have to do with this in any way?

And Shash, that's garbage. Just because it's infinite doesn't mean you can ignore the ratio. >=/

Yup, it does. Because of the fact that for every stone, you can find a matching stick, and vice versa, the two have to be equal. It's that simple.

It amazes me when people think that their own intuition is somehow right and all of established mathematics is wrong.

[GuidoHunter]

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What my Cal IV professor told me to do was to just think of "really ****ing big" in place of infinity. It works for where I need it and explains the stick/stone thing nicely.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[tsugomaru]

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We've already argued this issue on so many levels.

Yes, for every stick, you can find a stone and for every stone, you can find a stick.

But if we were to place our hand down at any point of this pattern, we can say there'll be more stones than sticks.

~Tsugomaru

[GuidoHunter]

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But if we were to place our hand down at any point of this pattern, we can say there'll be more stones than sticks.

~Tsugomaru

If you place your hand down, we cease to be considering infinity.

That's not how it works, Tsu.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[DDRKirby]

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I've been very curious about this, please post comments.

Proof:

Any number / Infinity = Zero -- because anything divided by infinity will be infinitely small or zero.

Therefore Infinity * Zero = Infinity -- when you put infinity on the other side.

The first part stems from:

The limit as x->infinity as in the equation 1/x^2 will be zero, since x is approaching an infinately small number which would basically be zero.

However, if an variable were placed in the numerator....

the limit as x->infinity of the equation x/x^2 would be zero, and x^2/x would be undefined. However, it would be ridiculous to say infinity squared.

We could use a different variable to represent any number.

q=[0,00) {double zeros in this case is my lazy attempt at the infinity sign}

So, the limit as x->00 in q/x will be zero.



The second equation would be kinda strange:

Infinity * Zero = Infinity.

Since, if we were to solve for zero (treating it as a varable)....

Infinity/Infinity = 0.

Everyone knows that something divided by itself is 1, not zero.

However, I think it was a typo...

I think it should have been:

Any number / Infinity = Zero -- because anything divided by infinity will be infinitely small or zero.

Therefore Infinity * Zero = Infinity -- when you put infinity on the other side.

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Infinity*zero = Any Number

Anything times zero is zero, not a mysterious unknown number.

I think I need more theortical Calculus....rofl.

[Kit-]

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64/16 = 4/1 because the 6s cancel

[tsugomaru]

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If you place your hand down, we cease to be considering infinity.

That's not how it works, Tsu.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

Ahh man you are right. =[

~Tsugomaru

PS - Man, I was thinking about that when I was writing the statement.

[Kilgamayan]

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The second equation would be kinda strange:

Infinity * Zero = Infinity.

Since, if we were to solve for zero (treating it as a varable)....

Infinity/Infinity = 0.

Everyone knows that something divided by itself is 1, not zero.

However, I think it was a typo...

I think it should have been:

Any number / Infinity = Zero -- because anything divided by infinity will be infinitely small or zero.

Therefore Infinity * Zero = Infinity -- when you put infinity on the other side.

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Infinity*zero = Any Number

Anything times zero is zero, not a mysterious unknown number.

Any number divided by 1 is itself, and any number times zero is zero. Infinity is not a number, and the amount of people in this thread that still fail to grasp that concept stuns me.

Also, for the people whining about inf - inf, it is possible for it to equal zero, but it's not defined as zero. It's an indeterminacy, just like inf/inf, 0/0 and a whole bunch of other power crap. None of those things are defined to be anything - your goal when you run across one is to hit it with whatever you've got (L'Hopital's Rule is almost always a good place to start) to turn it into something that is explicitly defined.

[tsugomaru]

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Kay, I need one more run through.

If inf-inf can equal 0, does that mean that it can also equal 1, 2, 3,...?

~Tsugomaru

[Kilgamayan]

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It's possible, yes.

For example, take the size of the set of non-negative integers and subtract the size of the set of positive integers.

It's inf - inf, but the answer is 1.

[Kit-]

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It's possible, yes.

For example, take the size of the set of non-negative integers and subtract the size of the set of positive integers.

It's inf - inf, but the answer is 1.

Bijection:
0<->1
1<->2
2<->3

etc. etc.