Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2

[AlexDest]

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submissions CLOSED)

My suggestion is to make the batches more frequent. Instead of having these 5 month gaps in between batches, make the batches monthly or every two months. Now of course going about it this way means other things need to change, but they will change for the better. By making the batches more frequent, this means you have to cut the amount of files accepted which will be simple to do and be more beneficial.

As Kommi said, we already do have a month to 2 month gap for batches, as long as there isn't an official tournament going on. But, a smaller submission cap can help keep the monthly gap going, even during an official tournament.

So in order to cut the amount of files accepted just make the acceptance rate more strict. This isn't a bad thing, it is actually what is needed because it is a joke that charts that get through with a 6/10 rating, never get fixed, then get thrown in game.

I agree with only the fact that there are notes provided for the stepartist to fix certain things, but he/she doesn't go out of their way to make use of those notes to fix any mistakes. What I would recommend, is to send the stepartist a personal message and inform him of the notes and give them the option to apply these fixes or not.

Don't see why charts with a failing grade deserve to be put in game. Poor quality charts shouldn't be accepted, that's pretty clear. Make the acceptance rate more strict like 8/10 in order to be accepted. This indeed will cut down the amount of charts accepted each batch, they will be good quality charts, and leading into my next point, people will not have to wait 5 months to resubmit it. The stricter acceptance rating will push people to learn more about stepping and push them to try harder on their charts knowing they need a minimum of 8/10 in order to get by.

You truly don't understand how rare an 8/10 average is for a simfile out of about 100 other simfiles, the acceptance rate will drastically descend. Not even that, all the "elite" stepartists have pretty much depleted from the entire stepmanian universe, so "objectively good quality" charts are pretty scarce.

You're even forgetting that since Tass has been gone, the quality/acceptance of charts have increased ten-fold, and that batches don't have an 8 month gap.

[TC_Halogen]

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@ Plan: The acceptance ratings are strict as it is, though.

You are correct: the current judgment system lists a 6/10 as [+.], or lightly accepted. However, the acceptance average, after applications of deviation/strictness, is typically ~6.7. This changes based off of the number of accepted files occasionally, with higher acceptance levels leading to higher averages. In the long run, this could deter simfile artists from submitting if they continually fall just short. In one of the batches, six out of ten of the simfiles forced to conditionally queued missed the mark by 0.02 or less. As far as forcing changes, this is unfair to the simfile artist and it reduces the power they have by creating a simfile. A force should only be applied if the file violates a parameter of submission (like having a step in the first second in such a way that causes it to drop steps), or if the song can't be cut because of permissions, or... something that legitimately breaks a rule upon submission.

Alex responded to pretty much everything else I wanted to talk about, haha.

[Razor]

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having the acceptance rate at 8.0+ would just make people cry even more than they do now

[psychoangel691]

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I had made a suggestion some time ago, I can't remember if it was in judges chat or in the forum now. Anyway, I suggested that the email be open at all times for people to submit so that they don't feel the need to rush and throw their max cap in every time a batch comes around. But have a monthly cap so people don't go so overboard with it. Then basically grab however many at a time and see who's available for judging and send them out. This could help when there are less available judges as well by doing a smaller group of files at a time.

I think overall this would help improve quality because people wouldn't be rushing to make it into the batches that are unpredictable and might just make people more relaxed with submissions in general.

They had sounded interested and spoke about giving it a try but then it just never happened. Idk just a thought.

[TC_Halogen]

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having the acceptance rate at 8.0+ would just make people cry even more than they do now

Having the acceptance rate at 8.0 means like... only 10% of the batch would have been accepted, hahaha.

Actually, I'm really curious to see how many got 8.0 or higher now.

EDIT: ahahaha, only ten files out 134, lmfao. 7.46% acceptance rating, let's do it

[Xx{Midnight}xX]

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What's the point in having a batch anymore?

We keep putting things in game without it, so why bother?

Free acceptance for everyone

[t-rogdor]

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submissions CLOSED)

What's the point in having a batch anymore?

We keep putting things in game without it, so why bother?

Free acceptance for everyone

mmmyeah baby i can just smell all the offsync vertex beta resteps

smell that bullshit

[psychoangel691]

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submissions CLOSED)

What's the point in having a batch anymore?

We keep putting things in game without it, so why bother?

Free acceptance for everyone

Internal batch isn't the same as things not going through any process at all. You really need to just get off this already.

[Xx{Midnight}xX]

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mmmyeah baby i can just smell all the offsync vertex beta resteps

smell that bullshit

Fractured Sunshine is all that awaits in the future anyways...

Or as Rudi once told me, it's no big deal, no big deal.

Internal batch isn't the same as things not going through any process at all. You really need to just get off this already.

You can't even get the basic point, so stop replying with "get off it" and start trying to figure out an actual reasonable response to what I said instead of deleting it.

[Choofers]

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sounds like midnight is upset

i'd even say that

he's mad

[AlexDest]

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mmmyeah baby i can just smell all the offsync vertex beta resteps

smell that bullshit

100000 bpm epic speedcore

[psychoangel691]

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submissions CLOSED)

Fractured Sunshine is all that awaits in the future anyways...

Or as Rudi once told me, it's no big deal, no big deal.



You can't even get the basic point, so stop replying with "get off it" and start trying to figure out an actual reasonable response to what I said instead of deleting it.

I didn't delete anything lol. I can't get the basic point? You're pissed off that there was an internal batch that excluded other people, really not much to get. I did give a reasonable response because you're now going "free acceptance for everyone" when that's not the case. Sometimes extra things are needed for events and they still get judged, not just put in. (with exception of what Jae did last tournament but I had no part in that nor do I condone things going in with no review at all)

The files are still looked over and if necessary changes are needed they're made and re-judged. You basically want to hold up events because of "fairness" over a few files that were requested from stepartists that yes are more consistent with their file quality. It's not like the entire event was done off of only files from an internal batch. It takes a lot of time to collect 100 files, get judges to judge them, and judge them. An internal allows us to take people who are more seasoned and get a few files to be looked over by a few judges rather than needing like 12 for a full batch.

But hey lets just stop having events for people because we need to spend too much time doing batches over and over to get the right files. No problem man.

[Xx{Midnight}xX]

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sounds like midnight is upset

i'd even say that

he's mad

You could attempt to argue that I suppose.

I didn't delete anything lol. I can't get the basic point? You're pissed off that there was an internal batch that excluded other people, really not much to get. I did give a reasonable response because you're now going "free acceptance for everyone" when that's not the case. Sometimes extra things are needed for events and they still get judged, not just put in. (with exception of what Jae did last tournament but I had no part in that nor do I condone things going in with no review at all)

The files are still looked over and if necessary changes are needed they're made and re-judged. You basically want to hold up events because of "fairness" over a few files that were requested from stepartists that yes are more consistent with their file quality. It's not like the entire event was done off of only files from an internal batch. It takes a lot of time to collect 100 files, get judges to judge them, and judge them. An internal allows us to take people who are more seasoned and get a few files to be looked over by a few judges rather than needing like 12 for a full batch.

But hey lets just stop having events for people because we need to spend too much time doing batches over and over to get the right files. No problem man.

I'm not pissed. I'm confused as to why you all think that's ok to exclude people because of your opinions that they are not good enough to produce a chart in time.

You did miss the point, my complaint is that others of us whom you people (mistakenly) think "aren't worthy" in a sense can't attempt to get their charts in because of pure opinion.

Also, you are absolutely no different than Jae by making one (granted respectable) person view it and then make it a token. You also, like Jae, held internal batches. Explain to me exactly how what you did is any different? Oh sure, one (again respectable) person viewed the chart. Short of having the normal amount view it, you did nothing different than what he did.

And yeah oh no we have to hold more batches and open more opportunities, wow, such a bad thing right?

You, like Jae, and maybe others, shut out the chance for equal opportunity. Which you cannot argue is not fair. CHart's being released on a weekly basis is an event on it's own. So who's to say the batches wouldn't help there?

And also the time frame, was definitely more than enough to run more batches, I can't see time being an issue considering how long in advanced you began planning it, and with the large delay ect. Time is not a viable excuse.

[Charu]

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I... don't like where this is going...

If I may chime, if you please.

I think in a less rude fashion, all Midnight's trying to say is if there's a file needed to be done through a quick internal batch, it should be an event so everyone has a chance to throw out a file of there's for something that the tournament doesn't have in its possession.

...I think that's the core of what he meant.

[TC_Halogen]

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Middie: I'm really getting sick and tired of you throwing Fractured Sunshine in my face when it was an extenuating circumstance. I'll say it again, and I'll say this time for everyone to see -- if it's such a huge problem that the file is in game as a token, I'll have the file take up one of my simfiles for the next batch and submit it through the regular batch. If it gets rejected, then it can be removed.

I'm not being narcissistic when I say this, but I spent a lot of time refining the chart to make sure it was very consistent and playable at the level that it was presented at, and I have no doubt in my mind that it would get accepted if it was judged fairly.

Don't take it out on me or other simfile artists because you're having trouble getting things in the normal way, when simfile artists like Carlos, hi19, bmah, JX, AlexDest, myself, and others have a strong enough foundation and consistent acceptance rating to be trusted to just have judgment from one of the two head judges -- I guarantee you if any of these simfile artists were to submit something under normal constraints, they would get in very very consistently. In the situation of an extenuating circumstances, things like this have to happen.

EDIT: @ Charu: there wasn't enough time to have something like this because at the start of the tournament, every spot except for the very last round of D6 was filled out right from the bat. You can't try and hold files for a potential tiebreaker every round, because it just doesn't work, especially in later rounds of higher divisions.