Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2

[kommisar]

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how about judges be a tiny bit more strict and you people just deal with it


it's how it's always been and won't be likely to change any time soon.

[Choofers]

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No offense, but that just shows favoritism at it's best. Just because "Kommisar" can step or "AJ can step, or "carlos" does not mean that if they step a file, it can surpass the rigorous Judging process because you are an elitist. No. You go through the same fucking process that everyone else goes through.

Bullshit. If the tournament needs files of a specific difficulty, it would be much quicker to get one of the judges to make a file. Those judges are judges because they know how to make a good file, and they can make one quickly.

If FFR held a batch in the middle of a tournament to get a file, that wouldn't go over well at all. We'd have a bunch of people sending in shitty files, files that aren't hard enough/too hard, and it'd have to go through the judging process, ultimately postponing the tournament. And we all know how mad people can get over stupid shit (ie look at you and middie).

[TC_Halogen]

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Bullshit. If the tournament needs files of a specific difficulty, it would be much quicker to get one of the judges to make a file. Those judges are judges because they know how to make a good file, and they can make one quickly.

If FFR held a batch in the middle of a tournament to get a file, that wouldn't go over well at all. We'd have a bunch of people sending in shitty files, files that aren't hard enough/too hard, and it'd have to go through the judging process, ultimately postponing the tournament. And we all know how mad people can get over stupid shit (ie look at you and middie).

Thank you for reiterating what I was earlier, because it just goes to show that we're (Kayla/I) obviously not the only ones thinking this way. It's not only the most logical solution, but also the fastest and best solution overall.

[kommisar]

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I'm sorry, but regardless of "extenuating" circumstances, a simfile should NEVER get any "special privileges" no matter who the step artist is or what it is they are stepping.

No offense, but that just shows favoritism at it's best. Just because "Kommisar" can step or "AJ can step, or "carlos" does not mean that if they step a file, it can surpass the rigorous Judging process because you are an elitist. No. You go through the same fucking process that everyone else goes through.

No matter what you say, you're wrong. NO file should be exempt from a batch no matter what the damn circumstance is. Maybe next time, you'll have extra files for circumstances like this. That's about all there is to say.

in recent history this has never happened lol. Judges are encouraged to judge with artists being anonymous during the whole process. I've rejected countless bmah files and I didn't look at who made the files everytime I judged them. This "special priviledges" you speak of sounds like someone being mad their file didn't make it in because others more known did.

[Xiz]

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No offense, but that just shows favoritism at it's best. Just because "Kommisar" can step or "AJ can step, or "carlos" does not mean that if they step a file, it can surpass the rigorous Judging process because you are an elitist. No. You go through the same fucking process that everyone else goes through.

Perhaps blind judging should happen? Like... somehow when files are distributed to judges, the names are taken off the files completely, and only the main person in charge of the files knows who stepped what?

Granted... some judges will know who stepped what file due to people saying what they will step or they can tell from how they step... but perhaps that will eliminate ANY favoritism?



On a side note:

If this exists already, please let me know. I'm just unsure about this.

Can there / Is there a list of people who can be tutors on how to step? Because I've been TRYING to step for half a year now, and can only really rely on batch notes, and the advice from people playing it.... but I could use some what to do / what not to do's I guess?

(Granted... every file is different and its really an art form... I dunno... do you know what I'm getting at?) I guess I just wanna do a damn file correctly, and not sure how to ensure I do well :P

[hi19hi19]

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Yo I don't mind some people getting special privileges if they put in hella extra work to make this site run. Example AJ, bmah, the judges, etc.
I have no problem with such people getting an internal batch because the work they do shows they are committed to the site and all that good shit.

Especially when it comes to making sure there are proper level difficulty files for a tournament. You put in all the time to run a tournament, go ahead and take some perks too. No hate. I'm pretty much only going to complain if a file gets in that is so bad it would have been rejected with like a [---] rating *coughJae*

And this is coming from the #1 person on the site who wishes there were no submission caps and more frequent batches. Just because I'm kinda jelly that I don't get in an internal batch doesn't mean I can't realize why said people get the privilege. If I got off my ass and actually judged maybe I could be able to submit for this kind of thing.

[TC_Halogen]

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@ Xiz (and Kommi, I guess?): A mature judge will judge the file based off of how they see fit. Most judges are very skilled in construction of simfiles, so they likely will receive higher ratings. It's not because there's a bias, it's because the judges know how to minimize their mistakes. Occasionally, a judge will make a file that's a bit ambitious and it doesn't make the cut -- I've done it before... my Terror to Terror file got a pretty resounding NO from the judges because it was a ridiculously overstepped FSO-rated file, haha.

Xiz: there are various people that would probably be willing to take a look at your file, it's just a matter of looking around. From experience, Carlos (Wayward Vagabond) is very open to checking people's files. I'm up for looking at your file too. From what I saw in the previous batch (or two), you definitely have an understanding of what makes a good file that's properly represented, you just need a nudge in the right direction. A lot of newer simfile artists need this nudge. Once you get going, you'll be set.

[hi19hi19]

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Every judge on FFR is capable of making a file that will 100% be accepted.

Like I could easily just submit "safe" files like that and have 100% acceptance from here on out, no question. But that's boring as fuc so I submit "ambitious" (I like that term AJ) files and some get shot down and some end up being a lot of fun.

[Razor]

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wats a jadge ????????????

[thesunfan]

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The only reason I'm posting in this beaten-to-death-horse is because I feel like, despite the (hopeful) difference of how they go about trying to make their point and how I will, I agree with Krunky and Middie (holyshit). I COMPLETELY understand that Jae leaving left Kayla with a less than optimal time-frame, and I think she's done a good job with the tourney, certainly moreso than the last official. That being said, there was still time to prepare for the possibility of a tiebreaker in D6. The file wouldn't have gotten the exact same treatment as per usual, but I think it would still be better to have more people look at it and have the process be closer to the actual submission process. Yes, I know that files have bypassed the normal judging process "when needed." And, differing from Middie and Krunky here, I understand that this is sometimes necessary. HOWEVER, I still think that this could have been avoided in a more proper manner. As for "all of the judges being capable of making a file suitable for FFR," I agree, HOWEVER, I'm not sure we want the judges making files in such small time-constraints.

[psychoangel691]

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The only reason I'm posting in this beaten-to-death-horse is because I feel like, despite the (hopeful) difference of how they go about trying to make their point and how I will, I agree with Krunky and Middie (holyshit). I COMPLETELY understand that Jae leaving left Kayla with a less than optimal time-frame, and I think she's done a good job with the tourney, certainly moreso than the last official. That being said, there was still time to prepare for the possibility of a tiebreaker in D6. The file wouldn't have gotten the exact same treatment as per usual, but I think it would still be better to have more people look at it and have the process be closer to the actual submission process. Yes, I know that files have bypassed the normal judging process "when needed." And, differing from Middie and Krunky here, I understand that this is sometimes necessary. HOWEVER, I still think that this could have been avoided in a more proper manner. As for "all of the judges being capable of making a file suitable for FFR," I agree, HOWEVER, I'm not sure we want the judges making files in such small time-constraints.

Middie does not think that any file should ever go through an internal batch and that all should have to go through a regular batch process. Which I explained was impossible for events like these. You're not making their point, you're making a different one that a tiebreaker could have been started early on. Which is also not really the case because we'd have to make several of many difficulties because you never know when or if it's going to happen.

None of you even know how many people looked over the file and keep making assumptions, which makes this even more annoying to keep going over time and time again. (I listed previously the people that were involved in looking over files that were in the internal)

I'm done responding to this, I explained everything quite clearly yesterday and if people don't read it through then they don't. bmah and JX are the game managers and they make the ultimate decision on what does go in to game. I never once went and added anything without review or permission from a game manager.

If they want to remove fractured sunshine from 112 people that made top 16 to have it go through the batch that's their decision to make. If fractured gets removed then every file that went through an internal for this has to be removed as well which means removing around 5 maybe 6 from public ranks. I leave it to the game management team whom approved the files and process in the first place.

[AlexDest]

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Well I know one way for this situation to not happen. How about prepping for what could be the "impossible" For the official tournament batch, there should have been enough files chosen for such possibilities. I'm sorry, I don't give a fucking shit who is hosting it or who is judging the batches, but if such circumstances can happen, why weren't the compensated for? Why weren't the thought about BEFORE the official. FFR has had enough officials to know that ANYTHING is possible.

Even with the amount of charts accepted in the queue, it would get gradually difficult to pick tiebreakers. Although... this statement does throw in some ideas. We could put up a special batch just for the official tournaments, which would take serious planning for difficulty choices for each round in each division, tiebreaker choices, rating the charts, etc. However, with the 6 month gap official tournaments, this plan could only be possible if the tournaments were back to being hosted for each year. Internal batches are unfortunately, the last resort in order to get stuff in in order to fulfill tiebreakers. Just gonna have to roll with it until there is a better solution.

[kommisar]

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submissions CLOSED)

I've never had a file flat out rejected from ffr maybe I'm bribing the judges with my massive simfile artist smegma stash



Trust the judges. Most of them have quite the resume when it comes to making files and StepMania projects

[Sky Kitten]

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Alright, guys. Time to get to massive deleting. No more drama from this point on, please. If you guys plan to have any more discussions, keep them civil.

Thank you.

[kommisar]

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Tbh I think "drama" (as long as not offensive) is necessary to spark debate on key issues for the game's progression. This is the most activity this thread has had in a while and lots of great points were made.