Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2

[Nullifidian]

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"That beginner is just out of his league submitting his work to that competition and until he/she has gained some sufficient knowledge to be able to compete with the others, he has no right to complain about any of the feedback he receives either."

I seriously just lost a lot of respect for you with this statement, I'm sorry.

That statement made you look more of an elitist then anyone I know dude, and that's hard to do. So you're saying that a beginner like myself shouldn't even THINK of stepping for this site because I'm a beginner and way outta my league? What in the hell kind of an opinion is that?!

How do you expect someone like me to get better with stepping? KEEP STEPPING. I appreciate any and all feedback I receive for my files, but don't ever tell me or anyone else we're outta our league in stepping here.

Knowledge is essential I gather that, but in order to gain MORE knowledge in an aspect of life, you have to continue it and research it and make mistakes to learn better from them.

~C'mon man.

I didn't mean it in a disrespecting way at all and I feel you're reading it in a personal way, but it's just how it works. There's nothing wrong with being a beginner, but you can't make demands as a beginner and you can't expect to understand high-level criticism if you have no experience. I work in the games industry and I've seen a couple of portfolios come by during my internships that were just awful. The companies don't even take those portfolios seriously and pass them around to joke about them. Most of the time they don't even respond to those people's e-mails because they just completely lack fundamentals, and those that do get replies do not understand why they're not accepted because they just don't have that understanding yet. I've had to do my research and practice a lot before I went to work at a gamestudio. The same is applicable to stepping I guess.

Basically, you'll want to do your research and read up on existing theories etc. practice a lot and get critiques from random members before "applying to the big companies" or in this case submitting it to FFR or you'll have to deal with criticism that is completely valid but doesn't help you on your way.

[krunkykai22]

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I, obviously have a sufficient amount of knowledge when it comes to stepping. I've stepped files enough to know what's going on with language regarding it. I'm not talking merely about me, but come on, I'm not saying to write a damn essay on one file, but at least mark SOME examples when reviewing a file. One liners are unacceptable, Carlos and you shouldn't even disagree with that statement. Give examples to back up your reasoning behind your targeted rating and "one-liner" note. It's really a simple concept once you figure it out...

EDIT: Okay, Spitfire, that last post was in much better form then the first one. In the manner of how you wrote the other post it came across as personal and would to anyone who is a beginner or intermediate level stepper (in this case I'm included so naturally...) I do understand where you're coming from, but if I may, some people like submitting to "big-time companies" because normally the "big-time companies" will give a really detailed list of what is exactly wrong with this mediocre piece. Yes they may laugh at it, but I find that finding all the errors and writing them down and presenting them back to me will only give more motivation to shove it back in their faces with a fully revised and reformatted piece better then ever.

[Wayward Vagabond]

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I'm elitist and I enforce it.


because if i'm just nice and lenient with everyone nothing of quality ever gets made


that being said I am not an unfair asshole. people just paid WAY more attention to simfile detail and quality back in the dcp days.

yeah this is pretty much where im coming from as well as a couple other steppers and judges here.

[Nullifidian]

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I, obviously have a sufficient amount of knowledge when it comes to stepping. I've stepped files enough to know what's going on with language regarding it. I'm not talking merely about me, but come on, I'm not saying to write a damn essay on one file, but at least mark SOME examples when reviewing a file. One liners are unacceptable, Carlos and you shouldn't even disagree with that statement. Give examples to back up your reasoning behind your targeted rating and "one-liner" note. It's really a simple concept once you figure it out...

because repetetiveness is one of those fundamentals you should be learn to understand from the beginning (hence it's fundamentals). If you had sufficient knowledge about that, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

edit: In art (I just pick this because I'm also experienced with this) for example, beginners want explicit details critiqued which are all wrong since the fundamentals are wrong to begin with. So why should I go into those details when that person should focus more on the fundamentals? Once that person understands the fundamentals better, he'll be able to understand why the details are wrong too.

ex:
I can go into detail, saying how walls, doors, windows etc. are straight edges if you're going for realism, or if you're going for a stylization, your drawing still needs to be believable. At this point, I can't tell what material the door is made of, so I can't critique on that. Nor can I comment on the materials of the other objects in the drawing. The shapes are wrong, the perspective is nonexistant, and the scaling is off as well etc. etc.. I can comment on the details but that would be hellish task, and I'd be doing the work for that person. Instead I'd tell him it's not a believable drawing and the perspective is nonexistant, which in turn points him to draw from life and read up on perspective.

[FissionMailed1]

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I, obviously have a sufficient amount of knowledge when it comes to stepping. I've stepped files enough to know what's going on with language regarding it.

If this was truly the case, you wouldn't need elaboration on what the judges are talking about. You should be able to understand what they are talking about when they say "Your file is repetitive."

[Wayward Vagabond]

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I, obviously have a sufficient amount of knowledge when it comes to stepping. I've stepped files enough to know what's going on with language regarding it. I'm not talking merely about me, but come on, I'm not saying to write a damn essay on one file, but at least mark SOME examples when reviewing a file. One liners are unacceptable, Carlos and you shouldn't even disagree with that statement. Give examples to back up your reasoning behind your targeted rating and "one-liner" note. It's really a simple concept once you figure it out...

i give one liner comments and only go into detail when there are specific errors that occur infrequently and even then what i add to my notes isnt even much other than a few examples and "fix when this repeats also". no one has come to me and complained because i do that,

if you dont get what the judge is talking about message the judge, really

[kommisar]

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yeah this is pretty much where im coming from as well as a couple other steppers and judges here.

well here's the thing:


if you submitted a file to, say, smgroove 2. if it was a good file but that needed fixing, it wouldn't get put in the pack until ALL fixes were done. then the file had to be re-submitted, re-judged and once all the judges agreed, it would be put in the pack.


people broke down files much like we do on FFR, except it was mandated that you fix them completely before it even being considered to be put in.

but we don't do this anymore because not enough simfile artists or people are getting lazy idk. not worth the hassle I guess.

[Wayward Vagabond]

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but if I may, some people like submitting to "big-time companies" because normally the "big-time companies" will give a really detailed list of what is exactly wrong with this mediocre piece.

actually normally you would just be ignored like spitfire said.

[krunkykai22]

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When I said "sufficient" knowledge, I was able to step the song, sync the song and send it in along with understanding "lingo" when it comes to judging. I'm not a total newb.

Again, it wasn't necessarily ALL for me when it came to the notes being "one-liners" and not descriptive. It's just more or less a formality coming from people who call themselves professionals and stuff. It's basically more for the beginners to intermediates as I stated before.

EDIT: And again, Carlos, that is not the case all the time, and I know that much seeing as I've worked and seen it first hand myself.

[AlexDest]

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I, obviously have a sufficient amount of knowledge when it comes to stepping. I've stepped files enough to know what's going on with language regarding it. I'm not talking merely about me, but come on, I'm not saying to write a damn essay on one file, but at least mark SOME examples when reviewing a file. One liners are unacceptable, Carlos and you shouldn't even disagree with that statement. Give examples to back up your reasoning behind your targeted rating and "one-liner" note. It's really a simple concept once you figure it out...

Now you're just being insecure. If you actually had a "sufficient amount" of knowledge to stepping, then repetitiveness would be within that sufficient amount. That's a basic fundamental, no questions asked.

[krunkykai22]

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Now you're just being insecure. If you actually had a "sufficient amount" of knowledge to stepping, then repetitiveness would be within that sufficient amount. That's a basic fundamental, no questions asked.

Lol, how does that have anything to do with being insecure, Alex? Again, AS I'VE STATED A HUNDRED TIMES, I know my file repeated itself, it was the pure fact that being a judge means to actually fucking judge a file rather then one line it. Use AJ/Bmah for example. Go back through the batch notes, and look at their notes. They are very detailed and descriptive throughout all of their notes. It's a simple damn concept lol

HERE'S A GOOD CONCEPT, BE MORE LIKE THEM.

[Nullifidian]

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Lol, how does that have anything to do with being insecure, Alex? Again, AS I'VE STATED A HUNDRED TIMES, I know my file repeated itself, it was the pure fact that being a judge means to actually fucking judge a file rather then one line it. Use AJ/Bmah for example. Go back through the batch notes, and look at their notes. They are very detailed and descriptive throughout all of their notes. It's a simple damn concept lol

HERE'S A GOOD CONCEPT, BE MORE LIKE THEM.

They shouldn't have to. Fundamentals need to be fixed first before I would consider going into more detail, because if there's something wrong with the fundamentals, there's undoubtedly something wrong with the details as well since they're derivative from those fundamentals. It is insecurity at that point because you're asking someone to do the work for you and point out every mistake you've made instead of figuring it out yourself.

read my previous post's edit, maybe it'll help you understand. http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...postcount=5383

[Wayward Vagabond]

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the only people to really write detailed notes are silvuh and patashu.

[Charu]

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[i love you]

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 (Submissions CLOSED)

the only people to really write detailed notes are silvuh and patashu.

I do detailed notes as well although only to files that actually needs fixing.