President Bush

[Master_of_the_Faster]

Re: President Bush

No... I am very sure about the fact that Diebold rigged the election, but I'm still looking for the documentry that showed this. Even still, if I am wrong about this (which I'm most likely not), the main issue is about what people feel about his presidency and the justification of the war in Iraq.

[smartdude1212]

Re: President Bush

You know, I could waste a bunch of time explaining why I don't like George W. Bush as a president, but really, it isn't going to change a damn thing.

...not like George W. Bush would care what I think anyway.

And sometimes people don't like reading gigantic blocks of text.

[devonin]

Re: President Bush

If people don't want to read a large block of text that actually explains a position with reasoning and evidence, then they should be looking elsewhere.

[xWnLx Crisco]

Re: President Bush

No... I am very sure about the fact that Diebold rigged the election, but I'm still looking for the documentry that showed this. Even still, if I am wrong about this (which I'm most likely not), the main issue is about what people feel about his presidency and the justification of the war in Iraq.

You prove your point well...........

Well to the people that do not live in the United States most of the opinions about President Bush are false or just what they are......opinions.

From having to choose over Kerry and Bush, it wasn't a very hard choice.

So far the 9-11 attacks, Iraq death rate, and gas prices are all blamed on president bush. Which is hilarious to me because some people have forgotten the 3 government branches we have that can rule another out.

Congress is who declares war; The President can veto a bill (which he has done recently if any of you watch the news) and the Supreme Court.

Let’s start with Oil,

First of all it’s Dick Cheney that has shares in major oil companies but he sure doesn't decide if he wants an increase or not.

The Oil Industry is not government regulated like it is in other countries so they have a free range to charge what ever they feel. They use marketing skills to "scare" the public into thinking that there will be shortage or the winter was to harsh for oil companies so they have to raise it for the summer months. It’s all a scam and it works great, think about it this way they could charge up to $6.00 a gallon and I would still have to pay for it because I have to go to work.

Next we shall start with his decision to go into Iraq,

Now we can sit here and argue about how the threat of WMD (Weapons of Mass Destruction) was the encouragement for the war to take place. But if you disagree the fact that there weren't any at all then you are false. Iraq was warned in the late 90s about having to remove all of the possible WMD and put them out of commission. Now one thing that is debatable is what is a WMD? There could or couldn't of been WMD in Iraq after 9-11 but the fact that we went in to get rid of the problem before it was a problem. I hope you remember that Bill Clinton launched hundreds of Cruise Missiles into Iraq for a warning about the WMDs so let’s not blame President Bush for starting the war. President Bush did what HE thought was best for my country instead of sit and wait until another 9-11 happened. I felt that his decision was part of what he promised when he ran for President and he never let me down. The situation that we have now is that there are car bombers, 9 year olds with AK-47s, land mines, you name it they are out there killing UN Soldiers every day and we can't do anything about it. For those that think the Iraqis hate the US Soldiers then please go talk to one that just came back from a tour or actually pack your bags and visit it. There has been great progress but it’s the simple fact that if we left now what we just built will fall and be open to any kind of terrorist organization.

I’m not Republican or Democrat because I choose what I want for my country out of each and every candidate and choose the one that had the most of what I like. It is not possible to have a perfect president so sorry to disturb your parade. President Bush has put his foot down and led a country which I can freely say right now that none of you could mentally handle. We are alive, we are not in a depression, the stock market is booming with record highs and so on. To say president bush is the worst leader we have had is a false statement and should result into getting slapped in public.

[ledwix]

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Idiot what do you think 9/11 was when the world trade center collapsed to the ground because of terrorists from Al-Queda.

Excuse me; I meant to say that Iraq has never threatened to attack America or attacked America, which is more relevant to the subject. Iraq is what we are talking about, not Al Qaeda, so I hope you read the rest of what I wrote.

[g4z33b0]

Re: President Bush

Ignorance.

We have killed more then the terrorists. Grow up and learn about politics.

We bombed Iraq to hell to find and kill a man that we once funded and gave chemical weapons. Great job America. Bush lied to the entire nation, he's just another one of the racist, fake Christians.

[Tps222]

Re: President Bush

I don't think people know enough about the current state of affairs to be allowed to vote in the next election. There needs to be some sort of intelligence test added in order to vote. I don't care if the south doesn't get represented because of this, perhaps their teachers should have learned them more.

In all seriousness, I am in full support of the war and not pulling out. I agree with All That Chaz. I wish we would have waited for UN support before going into war. Now we are kind of shone in a bright light, but it is our duty to mediate the violence in the middle east.

Edmund Burke once said "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing". If one has the power to do good, but does not, that person is promoting violence, even if unintentionally. Standing idly by as the middle-east tears each other apart is a terrible thing, and it's main reason of support is "It doesn't concern us". "Why should our men die for no reason".

This is why certain people shouldn't be allowed to vote. Ignorance and bigotry is rampant throughout the nation, and I blame it on schools, parents, and education as a whole. The masses are immensely under-educated when it comes to modern affairs. I bet you could ask 9/10 adults what the difference between and a Sunni and Shiite was and they would not know. Hell, half the ****ing people in this nation can't find Iraq on a map. It's ****ing pitiful and people need to shape the **** up if they want democracy. Democracy should be a privilage, not a right. Hell, half the ****ing people don't even go and vote. They don't understand the extremely fortunate situation they are in, where voting can bring about change. They don't watch the news, pay attention to global affairs, and do you know why? "It doesn't concern them". What.The.****. Ignorance is the true demise of civilization. I once read a quote from a former French Premier, and it's true. Paraphrased, "America is the only nation in history to go from barbarism to degregation without the usual civilisation inbetween".

Now, I do not hate America. America is the greatest country in the world, and I wish more countries would adopt a similar constitution to us. I just don't like the general population. There are some who are intelligent and informed, opinionated and tolerant, open-minded. This is a minority, and luckily they run our government. Before anyone else says anything in this thread, do some ****ing research to make sure you don't sound like an uneducated ignorant jackass who doesn't know what the **** he's talking about and is just spewing misinformation and media bull****.

9/11 and Iraq are not connected people. Killing Bin Laden will not solve anything. Stop ****ing saying "We need to go back to Afghanistan to kill Bin Laden, then everything will be better, what are we doing in Iraq"?. No, it won't be better. Killing Bin Laden will do absolutely nothing to Al Qaeda. Anyone who knows what Al Qaeda is (which is few), and how they operate know that Al Qaeda runs in regional cells, and that they have regional leaders. If anything were to happen to Bin Laden, the next man in line would just move up, and we will have accomplished nothing. (Zarqwiwi (sp) was next in line, but we bombed him).

So in conclusion, to answer the thread. President Bush started his presidency out terribly by not waiting for the UN, but has responsed brilliantly since. He has managed ignore the ignorant public and stay on the course of rightneousness. I agree with him, 40 years from now we will be saying how right he was. He is a smart man.

Aside from the war, I do feel he needed to persue environmental solutions.CO2 emisions, alternate energy, nuclear power for general electric use. Saving wildlife and forests. These were all things that needed attention, and still do.

I'll conclude this post with a smarmy quote from Steven Colbert "President Bush: Great, or greatest"?

[devonin]

Re: President Bush

I don't think people know enough about the current state of affairs to be allowed to vote in the next election. There needs to be some sort of intelligence test added in order to vote. I don't care if the south doesn't get represented because of this, perhaps their teachers should have learned them more.

The Ravens APT and The Test Agency (One of the UK's leading publishers and distributors of psychometric tests) ranked each state in the United States in "IQ And The Wealth of Nations" by which presidential candidate they voted for in the 2000 presidential election. 1-16, 18, 21, and 24 by IQ voted for Kerry. Obviously such tests prove nothing, but still...that the study was done and supports the opposite stance to your point amuses me if nothing else.

In all seriousness, I am in full support of the war and not pulling out. I agree with All That Chaz. I wish we would have waited for UN support before going into war. Now we are kind of shone in a bright light, but it is our duty to mediate the violence in the middle east.

It is only your duty to mediate the violence in the middle east to the extent to which you are responsible for its current state of violence (Which, in all honesty, with the support of Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Israel in the American political past, is "quite a lot")

Edmund Burke once said "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing". If one has the power to do good, but does not, that person is promoting violence, even if unintentionally. Standing idly by as the middle-east tears each other apart is a terrible thing, and it's main reason of support is "It doesn't concern us". "Why should our men die for no reason".

You're saying, however, that the United States has some objective universal knowledge of what "evil" and "good" are in the world. From the standpoint of the thousands of families killed, made homeless and terrorised by US attacks on their country, it is quite the opposite. Even if the existing state of affairs was worse, the lesser of two evils is still evil.

This is why certain people shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Which kinds of certain people? Be specific. You can't make a statement like that without being willing to say some pretty objective things about how and who whould be disallowed.

I bet you could ask 9/10 adults what the difference between and a Sunni and Shiite was and they would not know. Hell, half the ****ing people in this nation can't find Iraq on a map.

A non-trivial number of Americans also coudln't identify a random US state on a map with all the names removed, if it wasn't one of the "obvious" ones like texas, florida, california etc.

Before anyone else says anything in this thread, do some ****ing research to make sure you don't sound like an uneducated ignorant jackass who doesn't know what the **** he's talking about and is just spewing misinformation and media bull****.

No offense, but 36 *s in a post are what makes people sound like an uneducated ignorant jackass. If you tone down the rhetoric and the volatility a little, maybe people will be more inclined to give what you have to say a fair shake.

9/11 and Iraq are not connected people.

Then why was Iraq invaded after an invasion of Afghanistan also failed to yield results? -JUST- the WMD thing? Funny how it wasn't presented that way.

Killing Bin Laden will not solve anything.

There at least, we agree.

Stop ****ing saying "We need to go back to Afghanistan to kill Bin Laden, then everything will be better, what are we doing in Iraq"?. No, it won't be better. Killing Bin Laden will do absolutely nothing to Al Qaeda. Anyone who knows what Al Qaeda is (which is few),

From whence comes your deep intimate knowledge of the inner workings of Al Qaeda?

If anything were to happen to Bin Laden, the next man in line would just move up, and we will have accomplished nothing. (Zarqwiwi (sp) was next in line, but we bombed him).

But by killing Saddam Hussein, once the US leaves, and the country runs its own democratic election, there's no chance of a similar thing happening?

He has managed ignore the ignorant public and stay on the course of rightneousness.

Yeah, nothing says "Perfectly functioning democracy" quite like "He has managed to ignore the public"

[GuidoHunter]

Re: President Bush

We bombed Iraq to hell to find and kill a man that we once funded and gave chemical weapons. Great job America.

Yeah, because Middle Eastern political climates are static.

he's just another one of the racist, fake Christians.

Uh.... what?

EDIT: Oh, for what it's worth, Dick Cheney isn't affiliated with Halliburton in any way.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[bobbycat73]

Re: President Bush

1) the United Nations will never support us in this war
2) a "war on terror" would be endless, there will always be terrorists
3) we are making life worse in Iraq, creating tension in all of the Middle East
4) the terrorist pilots behind 9/11 were from saudi arabia, but we have too good of relations with them (oil)
5) stephen colbert is satire

[tsugomaru]

Re: President Bush

You know, when the Iraq war first started, I completely disagreed with it. What if Iraq has WMDs? They wouldn't be able to fire it anyways, if they did, we'd fire ours and if we did that, then the world would fire theirs on us. In short, no one wins, everyone loses, there is no "who loses the least" concept in any of this.

However, as time progressed, as the average uninformed American, I, thought the war was justified because we were getting rid of a ruler that abused his people. Of course, America just doesn't know when to pull out, we already helped them try to reestablish their government, but now, we are controlling it. Iraqis want us out and some even want Suddam back.

~Tsugomaru

[bobbycat73]

Re: President Bush

Okay, okay, okay. So the main reason we're in Iraq is to make life better for the Iraqis? We're just creating more tension there, and we're making it worse. Plus, does that mean we should invade other countries that are in worse conditions than us? What about Black Hawk Down in Somalia? History repeats itself.

[tsugomaru]

Re: President Bush

Well, that was probably one of our side goals, but now, I believe we're purely there for the oil. We don't really care what's going on in Iraq anymore as long as we get the oil and keep the business men happy.

~Tsugomaru

[devonin]

Re: President Bush

America can't possibly be there for the oil. As of -last year- around this time, so much money had been spent in the military actions there that if they then engaged in full, destructive abuse of the oil system, trying to eke out as much money as possible in the shortest amount of time, they would still need -years and years- to even -start- to recoup the costs of this action.

It might have started with that goal in mind, but they've dumped such a disgusting amount of money into it that they can no longer even pretend that "the oil" is going to make it all better.

[smartdude1212]

Re: President Bush

The United States wants the oil because they are the largest consumer in the world.

Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Turkey, that area has the largest deposits of oil in the world.

It just so happens that the United States had a verifiable enough reason to attack Iraq, and once they fixed their reason of being there and made sure that Iraq had a stable government in place, the United States should have pulled out.

However, if they have control over Iraq then they have access to all those oil deposits and don't have to pay a lot of money to them.

So, I believe the main reason that the United States is still in Iraq is for the oil.