President Bush

[FallenXxRaven]

Re: President Bush

Did you make that up on the spot jewpin?? Cuz that was pretty cool lol.

[jewpinthethird]

Re: President Bush

Naw, http://www.anarchyteaparty.org/pmwik...=Main.HomePage

Interesting read...though not very thorough.

[FallenXxRaven]

Re: President Bush

Hmm, ill have to check that site out when im more awake

[Magnum13]

Re: President Bush

I think he's doing what he should be doing, he's doing what's best for the nation, even if it's not exactly what the people want. If he did what the people wanted there would be chaos in the nation. The people fail to realize that more people die in car accidents than wars. True it is very risky, but the soldiers expected that when they joined the military.

[purebloodtexan]

Re: President Bush

He's stripping a region until it's nothing but holy wars. How is that for the greater good of the country? So more people can hate us?

[Magnum13]

Re: President Bush

no, so we can be safer, the entire world ALREADY hated us. If there was a rally against the revolutionary war, there'd by no nation, if there was a rally against the civil war (which was much much worse than the Iraq war) there'd be no uity, and slavery would be accepted, think about that.

[purebloodtexan]

Re: President Bush

Tell me exactly what harm the Middle East could've brought to us (With the possible exception of Afghanistan) had we not invaded.

I would say that the U.N. probably doesn't allow the holy war, but that still doesn't mean that we had to do their work.

[devonin]

Re: President Bush

no, so we can be safer, the entire world ALREADY hated us.

So "Operation Iraqi Freedom" was about keeping America safe? Good to know.

[jewpinthethird]

Re: President Bush

Tell me exactly what harm the Middle East could've brought to us (With the possible exception of Afghanistan) had we not invaded.

I would say that the U.N. probably doesn't allow the holy war, but that still doesn't mean that we had to do their work.

We didn't invade the "Middle East", we invaded Iraq, a country that had no proven ties to any of the "terrorist" organizations that wanted to do harm to the United States. Now the anarachy in Iraq is lead to a breeding ground of terrorists.

We are more in danger now than we were when Saddam was Dictator of Iraq.

[devonin]

Re: President Bush

You know, Jewp...you don't have to shout like that. One of these days I'll just write up some huge epic post detailing all the ways that the Bush administration has lied, misled and otherwise failed miserably to lead the country in a proper way. Complete with citations, references, and plenty of direct links to websites that end in .gov

But man, that would be the work of quite possible days.

[purebloodtexan]

Re: President Bush

Sorry for not clarifying, but we basically catalyzed this war by invading Iraq.

And, unless you're being sarcastic, I really don't see any harm that Iraq could do to the Continental U.S. I do agree, however, that we were on more peaceful terms when Saddam was in reign.

Doing some more research on the Gulf War.

[Relambrien]

Re: President Bush

You know, Jewp...you don't have to shout like that. One of these days I'll just write up some huge epic post detailing all the ways that the Bush administration has lied, misled and otherwise failed miserably to lead the country in a proper way. Complete with citations, references, and plenty of direct links to websites that end in .gov

But man, that would be the work of quite possible days.

Please do this; I would -love- to see you write that, considering the quality of your other posts. A big essay like that from one of the best posters in CT? It would be the most epic post in the entire forum.

[devonin]

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The funny thing is, most of the inherent contradictions of the Bush administration were given by the President himself in his various speeches and addresses, all of which are preserved for anyone to read on the whitehouse.gov website. You could read it for yourself any time you want.

[purebloodtexan]

Re: President Bush

According to Wikipedia, the 1990-91 Gulf War was due to the fact that Iraq seemed to disapprove of peace-keeping movements and had friendly relations with the Soviet Union, who was one of the dominant countries in the Cold War and considered a reasonable threat. Also, Saddam Hussein had commited crimes against humanity, which probably brought support of the other causes, but isn't a cause alone; one reason is probably the fact that Hussein's cruelty was well documented before the invasion.

Although no nukes were fired, they did have nukes, so the invasion may have been justifiable to some. What makes me scratch my head is Bush Senior's motives.

"Within 3 days, 120,000 Iraqi troops with 850 tanks had poured into Kuwait and moved south to threaten Saudi Arabia. It was then that I decided to act to check that aggression."

I certainly pray that it wasn't the only reason for invasion.

[devonin]

Re: President Bush

Because if they took Kuwait, Iraq would have control of roughly 20% of the world's oil reserve. The usual worry at the time was that the Soviets would invade major oil producing countries like Kuwait, but there was actually a report by Paul Wolfowitz in the late 70s (Wolfowitz was the Deputy Secretary of Defense under the George W Bush until 2005, and was a Pentagon staffer under George H W Bush during the first Gulf War) warning that it was likely Iraq could turn its attention to invading countries like Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

Also, I'll point out that while the potentiality of a nuclear programme being undertaken by Iraq during the time of the first gulf war was definately something that should have (and would have) been considered by the Americans, after Clinton basically reduced to rubble what remained of their (by then) anemic nuclear program, claims in this iteration of Iraqi conflicts about WMDs have basically been spurious right from the outset.