Suicide

[Anticrombie0909]

Like Cenright noted, suicide is just being selfish. If you want to kill yourself because "everybody hates you" or some (#$% like that, you're downright selfish. It wouldn't solve anything and would bring the worst pain to your friends and family. There is NO reason that something is so horrible that you have to end it like that. NONE.

That is the main problem. Depression becomes a self-fulfilling process. To just break the depression by getting outside and around people can work wonders.

ARGH

DID YOU PEOPLE EVEN READ MY POST

Depression is NOT A LOGICAL ILLNESS. Depression is NOT CAUSED by people hating you, or because you screwed up on a test, or because your girlfriend broke up with you. These things can make you DEPRESSED, or temporarily TRIGGER depression, but ACTUAL, CLINICAL DEPRESSION IS NOT CAUSED BY A LOGICAL THING. HOW MANY MORE TIMES DO I NEED TO SAY THIS.

DEPRESSION

IS

NOT

MENTALLY

CURABLE

IT IS NOT "ALL IN YOUR MIND" LIKE YOU SEEM TO THINK IT IS

IT CANNOT BE CURED BY "GOING FOR A WALK"

DO YOU GET IT YET?

Depression is the NUMBER ONE cause of preventable death for teenagers. You honestly think that many teenagers get an F on test and pop themselves? WRONG.

I have a great life. I have tons of friends. I have loving parents and plenty of money. I have good grades. I have NO logical reason to be depressed, yet, somehow, that doesnt' heal me. GEE WONDER IF MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE IT'S AN ACTUAL MENTAL ILLNESS? You can't "talk yourself" out of depression any more than you can Schizophrenia. There's a reason they prescribe medication IN ADDITION to therapy.

Edit: Ok, sorry, I'm not trying to 'yell' here, but you people are talking about something you completely don't understand. You really, truely simply can not understand the nature of clinical depression unless you've struggled with it. And Shox, being depressed for a summer and curing yourself by hanging out with friends means you most likely weren't clinically depressed.

[hatakikakashi]

Anitcrombie0909 I think you just hit the nail on the head there.

With a sledgehammer...

As hard as you could...

I agree wholeheartedly with everything you just said again.

[Cenright]

Depression is NOT A LOGICAL ILLNESS. Depression is NOT CAUSED by people hating you, or because you screwed up on a test, or because your girlfriend broke up with you. These things can make you DEPRESSED, or temporarily TRIGGER depression, but ACTUAL, CLINICAL DEPRESSION IS NOT CAUSED BY A LOGICAL THING.

You are right, It is emotion. Pure, screwed up emotion and illogicality.
That is where breaking the common routine is so helpful. Depression starts as an emotional mindset, and becomes a habitual attitude. To do something that alters the emotional mindset will help alter the attitude for the time.

Ever heard of "Time flies when you're having fun"? Well emotion flies too. If you took that person to Disneyland or Six Flags, you could help break that. You would keep them busy, meaning you would keep them in a group of people that they know, so that there is always someone to see, talk to, listen to, or go with. It would work very well, but tomorrow, it is back to the same thing. That is why each day has to be broken up, so that their routine changes, and then they have something interesting each day. It breaks the habitual attitude and makes them have to think about something else.



The problem with people who have it for a long time or have it many times, is they are getting back into that emotional routine. They don't have the willpower to break the routine, and even when it has been broken, they easily fall back into it. It is like another type of addictive personality.

[blargherness]

kinda strange, i JUST watched a suicide video in my gym class (it was turned into a temporarily 2-day health class) and i actually learned quite a bit. i dont really have anything to say on the matter though....

sorta creeps me out though, i took a depression test, it said it was a possibility that i had depression, the only thing that sorta contradicts it is that i dont feel too depressed, and i havent had even the slightes thought of suicide or anything...but it still sort of worries me....but thats besides the topic so ill shut up now

[Meteor858]

anti crombie once again youve takin the shit right outta my mouth only this time you let it evolve for 5 years.

blarge I have clinical depression and for me it started out as the stuff your talkin bout i didnt think i had it but stuff like that said i might have it then it got worse and worse and now i think bout it almost every day

if that ever happens to you tell someone you know and seek medical help

[talisman]

Dude, cen, clinical depression is not emotion. It is a chemical imbalance, and you can't fix it by changing your daily routine. Your brain simply doesn't have enough serotonin and norepinephrine, which is why antidepressants (nowadays anyway) are usually either SSRIs or SNRIs.

[TheTypist]

So basically, we've all been saying the same thing about depression, assuming that the next post was a bitter rebuttal, then getting angry and repeating our arguments over and over again.

]Depression is the NUMBER ONE cause of preventable death for teenagers.

See? Preventable.

No right to kill yourself.

However, we have the right to the pursuit of happiness. If you're depressed, there's a lot more happiness to be pursued. So technically, if you're depressed, you have more rights. If you're a liberal, more "rights" = better, almost always. Therefore, I can only conclude that all Democrats should become depressed.

If that's not illogical for you, I don't know what is.[/i]

[FlashStinger]

Yes, It is a chemical imbalance, but it is also emotional. Not every problem in your life can be diagnosed with western medicine and thinking that everything is from a chemical imbalance in your head. I had a shrink 2 years ago diagnose me with manic depressive disorder, bi-polar disorder, and obsessive compulsive disorder. They wanted to put me on like 3 or 4 different drugs to help, but I refused. As a buddhist, I don't take drugs or anything that will alter how my mind works. It helps to just sit back and look at your life. I was at that point where I was about to end it all. I'm no stupid kid, not to brag, but knowing the easiest way s to do it didn't help. I was full well ready to die, but then someone called me. And was like, we haven't done much together lately, wanna go to the movies. That was enough, I sat back and looked at some of the triggers. I mean, I had my problems after that, but today I can honestly say that I have changed. Yes, I understand the chemical Imbalce part of it, I still suffer from that, but I honestly think that it is dwelling in that kind of thought that causes more suffering. Sitting there thinking that you will always be sad and depressed only makes it worse. If you don't have friends, it doesn't mean you never will. You can be happy and depressed, it is ok. Too many teenagers thinking is at the point it's like. "I'm depressed right now. Things Will always get harder, I will never be happy." Well, thats true, if you decide to end it. Every moment is different and you will never be the same.
At times I believe a lot of these problems of suicide come from religion. Not bashing it, it's wonderful and good and all that, but some people think that if they commit suicide, they will go to heaven and be happy. And they look at that as their only way to be truly happy. Yet, we know that there is happiness on earth. And us dying only makes the rest of the world suffer and ourselves to suffer.
On another note, almost all suicide attempts are unsucsessful. I work in a nursing home, and there is a 32 year old man there. He has a wife, to wonderful kids, great job, loving parents, the works. He will never see them again. He is in a drug induced comatose. He swallowed 2 bottles of anti depressants, 1 bottle of asprin, 5 patches that we use at the home (extremely lethal in the human body) , About 3 cups of alchohol, and a bottle of paint thinner. He then got out of his car, and walked into the walmart he had been parked at. Makes it in the door, and crashes. Heart stops, and he is unconcious. This man survived, only because there was an EMT present. Another minute and he would be dead. The shocking thing is many many suicide attempts end like this. It is slightly ironic, that by wanting death, you receive life, for many years to come, in a constant vegetative state. Think about that when you think about suicide. This is the saddest person I have ever seen, lying in his bed, without any ablity to move, he might as well be dead. But, he isn't, he's there. Where he will probably remain for another 30 to 40 years. It isn't a way out. You think your life is bad now, try and imagine living in this state.
That has been a wake up call for me. I see my friend who wants to commit, and has all of the mental issues I have along with schizophrenia and cutting. The main problem I see is being selfish, and the chemical imbalaces. She takes the drugs, and they only help a bit. That is one reason why I think it is in a large part mental. As one who is very into psychology I can see many signs of why she is depressed, besides the chemical imbalance. She wants attention, and she gets it, but she always wants more. Her family life is one of the best i have seen(mormon), and she has some of the greatest friends in the world, yet, she thinks no one notices or cares for her. And she admits that she wants the attention, and that she doesn't get enough, but I'll reiterate this, she dwells in that state of mind that she is unwanted. Even when around many people tending for her, she thinks like that. Chemical imbalces can't really cause that part. It can't control the things you think. Those chemicals cannot affect your thoughts, just how you feel. I can say, that one of the number one reasons is dwelling in the thoughts. another would be Blaming your depression on the imbalances and not taking on some of the responsibility. I mean, when you are ready to commit suicide, it is not the chemicals making you, it is you. You can't blame the chemicals for everything, thats just not the way it works.

[talisman]

Schizophrenia is different though... antipsychotics only fix schizophrenia one third of the time, and must be present in order to maintain normality in another third. That leaves a third that doesn't get any benefits from the drugs.

and let's be honest... you ARE chemicals. Chemicals are to blame for EVERYTHING. There is no magical "you" in "control".

[GuidoHunter]

I completely agree with Flash. I'm glad there are others out there who think the same way, too.

And talisman, that's a whole 'nother philosophical discussion. And, hey, if we're all made up of chemicals then you can go down further and say we're just a collective mass of bosons and fermions. Events at that level are quite inexplicable, so those at the chemical level can be, too.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[talisman]

Of course, at the chemical level things are much more predictable than at the subatomic... but we slowly wander off topic.

Suicidal tendencies should be treated... you shouldn't be jailed for an attempt.

[Meteor858]

talisman right now your among the only people i agree with.
Stinger if it was mostly the state of mind, wouldnt all my attempts to get better inside my head work?
But no they didnt did they.
I felt good for about 4 days it was cool and then i had a really bad urge to commit suicide that came out of nowhere
so it is only logical that i agree with talisman on this one

[Cenright]

Talisman, that is pretty much predestination. You have no control over your life, and since It is all chemicals, do whatever you damn well please, because free will doesn't exist, and you are going to do it anyway. (To me, this is selfishness in itself.) This gives you a reason, that if the drugs don't work, you can say that there is no hope, and that sounds like depression has such a foothold, that you may just be right. But to commit suicide is to lose the fight. I doubt that any of us want to be the supreme loser, the loser at life.

Stinger, thank you for giving that story, cause it was exactly what I said in my post, but I didn't have a story to back it.

[talisman]

I never said anything about doing whatever you damn well please... some of us have chemicals that make us think of others, obviously.

But I dislike the word chemicals. It does have a literal connection to the fact that clinical depression is a chemical balance, but it is fallacious to assume that everything that occurs in the human organism is entirely chemical. Indeed, electrical impulses as well as kinetic movement play an important role as well. As far as the brain goes, however, I strongly disagree with the concept of a "you" that is in "control." Not only is the sense of self a manifestation of certain brain structures... its "decisions" are entirely predicated upon the status of the brain itself, and the various neurotransmitters present are among the most basic components of that status.

I don't believe in predestination at all, I just think that the brain is an entirely physical organ. ie, there is no "soul". Predestination has already been roundly refuted by quantum mechanics.

On topic, I think that while it is important to consider the underlying physical causes of depression (the chemicals), I also acknowledge that environmental factors probably have some influence in the degree to which the symptoms are felt and the speed with which recovery can occur.

[Meteor858]

well centright im sorry about how deluted you are from the truth of things look at anticrombies posts and think hard about what you just read