Suicide

[lord_carbo]

I respect the fact that you have an opinion, really i do, but they didnt just commit suiced because they let down the emporer, it was part of their culture, it was what they were trained to do, it was what they grew up knowing to be right. They had been taught for years and years, in some cases since they were old enough to walk, that it was what had to be done. They didnt know any different! And you think suicide bombers are cowardly? They're commiting suicide, but not because they want to die because they've had enough of life, but because they want to kill others around them. Exactly the same concept as the Japanese when they had bombs strapped to them. They not only killed themselves but they killed off a couple of the enemy with them! These people are only doing what they are trained to do, they arent necessarily doing it because they see no hope left in their lives.

I honestly wish I could of taken back the cowardly thing with the suicide bombers if you want me to be honest -_- All's fair in love and war I suppose.

[hatakikakashi]

Another example would be to do something like diving on to a grenade to save your buddies, or taking a bullett for someone. Shoving someone out of the way of danger thus putting yourself in danger, that kind of thing I think can be considered heroic.

[Jam930]

When everything someone cares about seems destroyed, they don't give a damn about life.
No matter how smart someone thinks they are.

[-Skooter-]

Horseshit, Everything that I cared about, I lost, or gave up for benefit of living, but I found something else, you can't dislike everything that you haven't experienced... and anyways, why are people still bitching and moaning? This thread is over, has been for a long time, SUICIDE IS FUCKING STUPID, and so are the people that "attempt" it, or even "acheive" it, if that hurts your feelings, then you're an idiot, for not being able to render fact.

[MalReynolds]

Still, people would still like to discuss it. Closing a thread because you say it's over isn't really your call... Although, it is quickly going into the land of re-entering earlier ideas at this stage.

Mal

[Anuj]

I'd probably kill myself if it'd let my mommy live =\

[Vamps]

I thought the thread was over too! There is alot of old content re-surfacing, but there are some new things, like suicide bombers and stuff. I do agree scooter, there has to be SOMETHING in your life that you have enjoyed, even if it only lasted a small time, if ur suicidal, maybe you should try and replicate that situation, and if its impossible, try and create another situation similar to it, or even try something entirely new that you've never ever tried before, you may find that its the one thing that turns you away from thinking about suicide. But I think its a bit harsh calling people stupid and stuff, most of the time they are just going through phases of some sort, and sometimes, as im sure we've discussed before, they have no control over what they think, i mean, im sure that they dont particularly enjoy being suicidal, its a horrible feeling and im glad that i've found something that i can turn to if i start getting overly depressed. Anyway, i think its well time this thread was closed, its just going to start flame wars and what not and people are going to get upset over things other people have said and its not the most pleasant thing to be discussing every time you come online! I say we have a vote or something, everyone for closing the thread, say so in your next post, same for all those against. If you dont want a vote, flame me or whatever if you fell is necessary!

[Jam930]

Or... if you want the thread closed, why not just leave? The rest of us can continue if we like... or whatever.
To not want to be involved in a thread and then try to force its closing is kinda stupid.

Horseshit, Everything that I cared about, I lost, or gave up for benefit of living, but I found something else, you can't dislike everything that you haven't experienced... and anyways, why are people still bitching and moaning? This thread is over, has been for a long time, SUICIDE IS #$#ing STUPID, and so are the people that "attempt" it, or even "acheive" it, if that hurts your feelings, then you're an idiot, for not being able to render fact.

But people decide what's important and judge the value of things in life for themselves. Noone's perspective, including yours, is going to be universal here. Your "Suicide Is Stupid!" philosophy is just ignorant. Suicide isn't stupid, it's just that they value things differently... they've evaluated life and decided for themselves that it's not what they want... for you to taint the past and insult the integrity of the lasting memories of anyone who's taken their own life for their own reasons is just wrong.

[msbrunnettemickey]

RE: Suicide

Skooter wins!
Btw. People die, and so other people live.
(I don't think this has to do anything with this)
Take this as an example...
A man drives a car..
A 7 year old runs to get his ball because it rolled on the road.
The man stopps fast, has an attack.
The kid is safe, runs away.
The man drives, gets out of his car, and dies from a heart attack.

If the man "haden't died" the kid wouldn't be alive.

[Vamps]

I did not say that i didnt want to be involved in the thread, i just think that the same point has been argued for the last 16 pages of posts! And i do agree that the act of suicide is stupid, not the people that do it, they could be the smartest people in the world, and still at least WANT to commit suicide. Nobody wins here, it is a battle of opinions that has been argued for years and will be argued untill the end of the earth! I think that people should just be allowed to have their opinions and not get flamed because they have the guts to post it on a forum!

[-Skooter-]

Ha, you're a good laugh when I need one. I'm actually not going to struggle to explain this time, I'm just going to tell you that you're wrong, and I never, not once, told you to shut down the thread. I simply said that I had thought it was over. Grow some balls, you are going to meet tons of people along the way that are not going to respect your opinion, and you have to learn to get over that. Secondly, QUOTE: "Your "Suicide Is Stupid!" philosophy is just ignorant. Suicide isn't stupid, it's just that they value things differently... they've evaluated life and decided for themselves that it's not what they want..."

If it makes you feel better, than you are more than welcome to continut to lie to yourself. SUICIDE IS FUCKING IGNORANT. Get the fuck over yourself, If I can do it, you can do it.

[JurseyRider734]

Ha, you're a good laugh when I need one. I'm actually not going to struggle to explain this time, I'm just going to tell you that you're wrong, and I never, not once, told you to shut down the thread. I simply said that I had thought it was over. Grow some balls, you are going to meet tons of people along the way that are not going to respect your opinion, and you have to learn to get over that. Secondly, QUOTE: "Your "Suicide Is Stupid!" philosophy is just ignorant. Suicide isn't stupid, it's just that they value things differently... they've evaluated life and decided for themselves that it's not what they want..."

If it makes you feel better, than you are more than welcome to continut to lie to yourself. SUICIDE IS #$#ing IGNORANT. Get the $*%# over yourself, If I can do it, you can do it.

Uh, listen, tone it down a notch. You're always bitching at people for bitching at others, look at yourself. This is Critical Thinking, you should be able to debate with someone without calling them names.

Also, most people contemplate suicide as a stage and get over it. If you're in the stage, you're going to think it's okay. If you're before or after the stage, you think it's dumb as hell. It's definitely a two-way thing. Yes, I agree, it's stupid, but a LOT of people think their reasons are strong enough for doing it. If they're going to be stupid enough to carry through with it, then sure, go ahead and do it.

People who are suicidal shouldn't be told to "Get the fuck over it", either. You're sure as hell not helping anyone here who is suicidal. Instead, try being more supportive next time.

[Cenright]

Someone Suicidal is either a mental wreck, a chemical wreck. All of those people are a mixture of both, but the Mental part is usually the dominant problem.

''Suicidal'' can almost be considered its own emotion. It is another thing that clouds your logic. Sure other emotions come with it, but same is true when you are angry. When people have too much stress or too much of a problem, their emotions are usually what are talking, not their mind. It is just something that gets in the way of them thinking clearly.

Although it takes a lot of trying, I AM able to be pushed to be angry enough to actually hit someone. It is rare, but can happen. For some people it is REALLY easy to push them to that point. There are also somepeople that are so gentle or cowardly, that they would NEVER be angry.

(Now put 'suicidal' in instead of 'angry', and the statement still works.)

[Vamps]

I didnt say you did tell me, i came onto that decision by myself. I know there are going to be people that dont respect my opinion, i found that out a good 10, almost 11 years back when i started school. I am over that. Notice in the last post i said suicide IS stupid, just not the people who commit it or attempt to commit it and fail. I was over myself a fair few years ago, i've NEVER been self confident or anything like that, i see myself as being lower than most other people. You judge people too quickly, way too quickly.
I agree with both Jursy and Centright, Skooter, stop flaming everyone for their opinions, you just said yourself that people arent always going to respect your opinions, well i respect yours, i just dont agree with them entirely. And Centright drew a written picture that shows perfectly what being suicidal is like, as we've said before, you arent thinking right when you're suicidal, and when people go and yell at them, its rare that it will snap them out of it, it will make them worse in most cases, i know you couldnt care less about anyone but yourself, but atleast try and have a civil debate instead of insulting someone for having a simple opinion.

[Jam930]

Ha, you're a good laugh when I need one. I'm actually not going to struggle to explain this time, I'm just going to tell you that you're wrong, and I never, not once, told you to shut down the thread. I simply said that I had thought it was over. Grow some balls, you are going to meet tons of people along the way that are not going to respect your opinion, and you have to learn to get over that. Secondly, QUOTE: "Your "Suicide Is Stupid!" philosophy is just ignorant. Suicide isn't stupid, it's just that they value things differently... they've evaluated life and decided for themselves that it's not what they want..."

If it makes you feel better, than you are more than welcome to continut to lie to yourself. SUICIDE IS #$#ing IGNORANT. Get the $*%# over yourself, If I can do it, you can do it.

lol...


My point was that people can decide for themselves how much they think their life is worth to them... and make a decision from there. Stupid or not?... that doesn't really matter.