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[Feuergeist]

You are an asshole Feuergeist.

Your opinions are your own, and whether or not you feel any remorse for him you should have respect for those who do and just shut the hell up for once.

I can call names too dickweed.

[Feuergeist]

1. Tend to be does not equal always you fucking twat.

And guess what "!=" means?

Moron.

I fail to see how the exclamation mark changes the meaning.


Name *one*. I dare you.

you got it

No, but you have attacked his decision to take his own life, claiming it to be the "coward's way out" when you have never been in that situation yourself (every situation is unique, so I don't care if you yourself had depression or not, because it's not the same). No matter the circumstances, a death is a death, and treating it so coldly and heartlessly will *always* get your ass reamed. Look what happened to VxDx.

Not once said in my post. Tool.

[Tekwarrior]

A Close Friend

As a close friend of Paul, I would like to express my sincerest thanks for all of those who have posted their condolences. The sheer number of posts as well as their content means a lot to the family and his close friends.
I however feel that I must address the “debate” going on in this thread.
Here I will try to set the record straight without name-calling or supposition but simple fact.
First, to be human is to have the potential for great happiness and great sadness. Paul unfortunately suffered from a chemical depression that left him barely able to get by most days. To put it in perspective, if a normal human being operates on a scale of 1 to 10 where 10 is extremely happy, 1 is extremely unhappy, and 5 is rather neutral, then as Paul once explained to me, for him 10 was neutral, 5 was extremely unhappy, and 1 was very very depressed. Thus, even with the drugs, at best he was able to get by day after day. But the amazing thing about Paul was the fact that he was able to brighten the lives of all of his friends, and he was always there to talk over our problems with us. Paul was one of the most selfless people in the world.
This is all to say that despite his illness Paul maintained one of the purest moral fibers that I have ever seen in a person. And one must also take into account how long he was able to fight the disease and not let it win. I cannot even begin to fathom how much strength and willpower it took him to get out of bed each day, and I hope that when you attack his character you are attacking full well knowing the kind of struggle Paul was able to win for so long.
Second, suicide cannot simply be deigned as morally wrong. You seek moral absolutes in an area where none are to be found. Paul was in a downwards spiral. He had all the support he could get but things were growing steadily worse and the suicide came as a final end to that spiral. What would you have him do? Simply say, “I want to live! I am going to totally ignore the entirety of my depression from now on.” GET REAL. I will not lower myself to the ad homonym tactics used by certain posters that have chosen to attack Paul, but I question if any of them would have made it even half as long as Paul did, or could even fathom the amount of darkness that Paul battled with constantly. Yes, I will grant that suicide is a sad occurrence, and when it is avoidable then it should be avoided, but for you to simply state that all Paul’s suicide was avoidable without having even looked at the facts of his life, makes me sick to my stomach.
Finally to Feuergeist who posted the idea that the anonymous posting of condolences was not only insincere but ridiculous considering that most did not know him I can only say this. I question the humanity of any human being who can watch or hear about another dying without being moved to sadness, if only for the briefest of moments. What the posters have done on this site in terms of giving their condolences is not only the right thing, but also speaks to their strong characters.

Thank You Again

[Feuergeist]

You need to read too. I do feel sorrow. For friends and family.


Please ban me, I can't take the stupidity any longer.

[CypherToorima]

Why do people ask to be banned so they don't have to "stand the stupidity" No one is forcing you to look at this thread. I have a feeling you were being sarcastic, but that's just overused.

[Feuergeist]

You need to read too. I do feel sorrow. For friends and family.


Please ban me, I can't take the stupidity any longer.

Perhaps arrogance would be better to use?


Either way, I don't care.

[CypherToorima]

Well, everyone has their own opinion, and people like tp disagree with yours. I do, but don't worry, I'm not gonna flame you about it or anything

[Feuergeist]

Well, everyone has their own opinion, and people like tp disagree with yours. I do, but don't worry, I'm not gonna flame you about it or anything

Thank you. I appreciate that. I think this will be my last post here in this thread. G'day.

[jraynor]

Do you dare to call us arrogant? For what? Not agreeing with you that our friend, a man you haven’t even met in your life, deserved to die? Have you ever heard the collective gasp from one hundred individuals when they were informed that one of their own took his life that very morning? Have you seen the parents of that same man minutes later as they recounted how the horrific events of that morning unfolded? Have you watched as your friends wept at the funeral? Know now that Paul took his life with full knowledge of what he was about to put his family and friends through. How can you feel no remorse for someone who has lived for as long as he has with a pain that justified it?

[Kilgamayan]

I fail to see how the exclamation mark changes the meaning.

"!=" means "not equal to". It has for a very long time, and many people know.

Good job.

Not once said in my post. Tool.

Granted. But as said before, I did see it somewhere, whether from somewhere else's post or maybe even from what I remember of a similar argument on a Gfaqs board I frequent a few months ago.

And using the term "tool" doesn't make you any cooler, make me any less of anything, or make any point whatsoever. All it does it make you look like you can't come up with anything unique.

On a side note:

- Arch0wl made this topic and expressed remorse.
- Moogy posted here and expressed remorse.
- I expressed remorse on the main page and defended the boy here.

We may need to rethink who the forum assholes are here, nay?

[Cenright]

People, if you haven't noticed, this is about Paul.

Wether he took his life or not, the life is gone. That is what this is about. His family has my sympathies, He has my sympathies. I believe that suicide is wrong in any case, but that doesn't mean I don't feel sorry for what he had to go through.

[Feuergeist]

People, if you haven't noticed, this is about Paul.

Wether he took his life or not, the life is gone. That is what this is about. His family has my sympathies, He has my sympathies. I believe that suicide is wrong in any case, but that doesn't mean I don't feel sorry for what he had to go through.

I see why cenright is a mod. Ok thats it for this thread with me.

[melstrange]

Monoc

People, if you haven't noticed, this is about Paul.

Wether he took his life or not, the life is gone. That is what this is about. His family has my sympathies, He has my sympathies. I believe that suicide is wrong in any case, but that doesn't mean I don't feel sorry for what he had to go through.

Thank you....

Paul's big sister, Mel

[87x]

Most truely depressed kids don't bitch about it .

well congratulations to them.. they have now joined the rest of us who don't bitch about our problems.

Yay, Stereotyping! Can I have some more? Next, let's discuss how much vodka those damn Ivans over in Russia drink!

thats not sterotyping, its the truth.. its like saying all basketball players shoot three pointers.. do I know all basketball players?? no.. do I know they all shoot 3 pointers?? yes... that’s what they do.. basketball players play basketball... goth kids bitch about there depression, then write stupid poetry about it..

depression is in your mind.. for the most part.. I know they have found it to be a chemical imbalance in your body.. blah.. blah ..blah.. yea.. whatever.. you feel bad because your not having fun.. or because your an idiot, and contenplate commiting suicide.. depression is just an excuse for people who are upset all the time..

yea.. I was talking about the people who claim to have it but don't really have it for the most part there.. no need to get all stupid about it, you could of just as easily said I “failed” then having to have gone looking for that picture..

Don't feel bad for Monoc because he committed suicide. Feel bad for him because he hated life enough to decide that death was better.

I will never feel bad for him.. only his family and friends.. what he did was stupid.. and he deserves no remorse for it..

What would you have him do? Simply say, “I want to live! I am going to totally ignore the entirety of my depression from now on.” GET REAL.

yes.. thats exactly what he should of done..

Yes, I will grant that suicide is a sad occurrence, and when it is avoidable then it should be avoided, but for you to simply state that all Paul’s suicide was avoidable without having even looked at the facts of his life, makes me sick to my stomach.

yes.. it was avoidable.. It is always avoidable..

Know now that Paul took his life with full knowledge of what he was about to put his family and friends through

Thats called being selfish

"!=" means "not equal to". It has for a very long time, and many people know.

I never knew that either

People, if you haven't noticed, this is about Paul.

Wether he took his life or not, the life is gone. That is what this is about. His family has my sympathies, He has my sympathies. I believe that suicide is wrong in any case, but that doesn't mean I don't feel sorry for what he had to go through.

As I stated before.. I feel sorry for his family and friends, and I am In no way "bashing" paul character, im simply stating my dissatisfaction on the subject.. I don't feel ANY remorse for people who commit suicide.. I just don't.. I feel that its a cowards way out.. and yall can quote me on that.. Im not trying to be an asshole.. and I in no way am trying to upset the friends and family of paul, just stating how I feel.. it is up to you if you let my opinions get to you or not

[alainbryden]

I agree, 87x, and I share your opinion, bet cenright is correct, and maybe it's time to lock this topic.