o.o

[87x]

I plan on locking this thread as soon as certain people have a chance to respond to my post.. and if they want to continue this debate even further after there postings, then we can in pm..

[lightdarkness]

87x, dont lock this topic, some people actually have intellegent things to post and such.

I havnt posted in a few pages, because i havnt been on the computer much lately, but i want to say to everyone that knew paul in this thread, im sorry. Im sorry for your loss, and i hope you can overcome this, and keep going on.

To everyone in this thread being a bitch, fuck you.

[alainbryden]

Many people probably think me a jerk for this but I'm really uncomfortable with everyone showing what almost appears to be support for what monoc did. Telling him to Rest In Peace, and that he's in Heaven, and praying for him are all very wrong things. As good as the guy probably was, he commited a terrible crime, equivalent, in my opinion, to murder, hurting all the people who cared for him, and while they deserve all the sympathy in the world, he does not. He deserved sympathy before, but after what's he's done, It's hard to have compassion for him anymore, because he didn't bear with it and get over it, and he didn't do something intelligent, and he wasn't being strong. He did the wrong thing, and he shouldn't be remembered so fondly. People who kill themselves shouldn't go out like a bang, that's encouraging them. It should be recognised as the weak act it is. I'm sorry for those who dissagree.

[lightdarkness]

@alain, i kinda agree, but i still think we should honour him.

He did try to get help, as many people in this thread stated, but somehow he couldnt. I feel sorry that he couldnt help himself. And i feel sorry for his friends.

I do think suicide is wrong, very wrong, but monoc tried, but couldnt help himself

[87x]

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Many people probably think me a jerk for this but I'm really uncomfortable with everyone showing what almost appears to be support for what monoc did. Telling him to Rest In Peace, and that he's in Heaven, and praying for him are all very wrong things. As good as the guy probably was, he commited a terrible crime, equivalent, in my opinion, to murder, hurting all the people who cared for him, and while they deserve all the sympathy in the world, he does not. He deserved sympathy before, but after what's he's done, It's hard to have compassion for him anymore, because he didn't bear with it and get over it, and he didn't do something intelligent, and he wasn't being strong. He did the wrong thing, and he shouldn't be remembered so fondly. People who kill themselves shouldn't go out like a bang, that's encouraging them. It should be recognised as the weak act it is. I'm sorry for those who dissagree

OMG.... get out of my brain you telekynesis using bastard..

[Daisy2800]

As I have said before,
This isn't something that happened in a movie, this isn't something that happened in a book, this is real. A real person took his life, a wonderful person. Real people are affected, real people are mourning. Comments like yours Feuergeist, give me a horrible feeling in my stomach, i just can't believe some people can be so inhuman. Monoc went to my school, and if you could just see the pain everyone is in, you would feel horrible. Monoc has great wonderful friends and an outstanding family and they, as much as Monoc does, deserve your respect.
This is not a joke Feuergeist, This is real.
I'm sorry that people on this website have said the things that they have said, their disrespect is something I can not fathom.
To Monoc's family and friends, I am truely and deeply sorry, you are all in my prayers.
Sincerely,
Daisy

[Arch0wl]

Please ban me, I can't take the stupidity any longer.

Can I do that, since he asked to? XD

(cause on forums, whenever they ask to be banned, they never get banned usually.. so this would be a new twist =p)

[alainbryden]

As I have said before,

This is your first post ever...

Monoc has great wonderful friends and an outstanding family and they, (...) deserve your respect.

I'm sure not a soul dissagrees with you there, but

(as much as Monoc does,)

we do not agree with. That is our point. We have our own philosophy on what kind of respect he deserves, and it has nothing to do with what anyone is feeling. Please acknowledge this.


Listen, everyone on the boards feels deep sorrow for everyone remotely affected by Monoc's actions, and feel sorrow ourselves. Of course we realise that this is real life, not some story. It is because of this that we few (Feuergeist, 87x and I as far as I know) have such a problem him being treated like a hero of tragedy. That is not realistic in our opinions. Monoc clearly did not see the bigger picture when he did this. You cannot hope to say what he was or wasn't when he did it, and you cannot portray compassion with his actions. All you can to is acknowledge what a great guy he was, and what sorrow he caused.

[Daisy2800]

I am at a loss for words, please read carefully what Tekwarrior said in his earlier post, I don't think I could say it more beautifully than Tekwarrior did.
It just seems like such a tragedy to me that something that started out as such a nice dedication to a devoted fan of FFR, could have turned into a bashing ceremony about Monoc. It saddens me that people who had no relation what so ever are so quick to judge.
Once again my prayers go out to all.
Sincerely,
Daisy

P.S. this is not my frist post on the website, I commented in response to the news article first posted about Monoc.

[alainbryden]

I for one stand by my convictions.

All you can to is acknowledge what a great guy he was, and what sorrow he caused.

I'm not judging him badly at all. I am saying his actions are being romanticised and he should not be honoured for having had to kill himself, because he didn't.

P.S. your post cound is now two, so unless you created a new user, or deleted that post, I wouldn't have known otherwise.

[Kilgamayan]

Many people probably think me a jerk for this but I'm really uncomfortable with everyone showing what almost appears to be support for what monoc did. Telling him to Rest In Peace, and that he's in Heaven, and praying for him are all very wrong things.

I stopped reading at about here because I fell out of my chair laughing.

Saying that shows you don't pity the family at all. They're trying to mourn and you just spat in their face by telling them honoring the death of the family member was wrong. You don't care, so stop saying you do.

Then 87x says something about suicide being the coward's way out (I KNOW I saw it this time) without being in the situation himself, which also made me laugh out loud.

Unless any of you have been in his exact position, you have no place to judge his actions.

I have never taken a stance on whether suicide was the right or wrong thing to do in this case. This is because I'm not stupid enough to pull assumptions out of my ass on that level.

[alainbryden]

You're pulling much worse than assumptions out of your ass right now kilga. I'm glad you can find the heart to laugh about what most consider a pretty serious topic. And let's just pick the thing that bugs me the most.

They're trying to mourn and you just spat in their face by telling them honoring the death of the family member was wrong.

What I clearly said in my post: Honoring 'Monoc' is exacly what everyone should do. Honoring his suicide is not.

[Kilgamayan]

Telling him to Rest In Peace, and that he's in Heaven, and praying for him are all very wrong things.

and praying for him are all very wrong things.

praying for him

The only assumption I make is that no one has ever been in his exact situation. No one on this forum had his exact family tree, his exact chemical imbalance, his exact social life, etc. If one of you *has* all these things, has considered suicide, and decided against it, then I will gladly shut up and submit to you.

[alainbryden]

are you suggestion that his decision can be justified? Or are you just anti-existentialist and saying that his actions were a product of his environment and he didn't have free will?

I'll admit I was wrong in saying praying for him was the wrong thing. It's very much the right thing. If you are religious, you must very much pray for his forgiveness if he is to get into heaven. So I was wrong in that case, and I'm sorry. I am not religious so I often misconceive things of that nature. My other convictions stand.

[Kilgamayan]

I'm saying his decision may be justifiable. I don't know for sure, which is why I haven't said anything one way or the other. It's entirely possible it was justified, it's entirely possible it wasn't. I don't know enough about what he went through to make an educated conclusion.

What I've argued works in reverse as well. No one should go around saying "his suicide was entirely justified and you're an asshole for thinking otherwise" because that's just as ignorant. No one knows what was really going on in his mind, so no one can make a substantial claim one way or the other.