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[lightswitch_raves]

Quit quit. Drop out. Don't ask why though I have my reasons.

I would, but I've seen what it did to my mum. She dropped out in her sophomore year, but she went for all 12 years. And I hate her. So i say, stay in school, or become a dead beat like my mum.

[87x]

This kid was suffereing from depression, sometimes you cant help your self to get out of it

you can always get out of it.. people who say they can't get out of it.. aren't trying.. they are just trying to ride out the problem.. and see if it will end on its own... if you really wanted to make yourself happy then you would do everything and anything in your power to change yourself or the situation around you to make yourself happy.. obviously that isn't the case.. and someone jsut wanted to pain to end because the ridinging out the problem thing didn't work.... there is no (logical) question that can not be solved... pepople just don't want to work out the equations to get the answer...

[RobbyZero]

I would, but I've seen what it did to my mum. She dropped out in her sophomore year, but she went for all 12 years. And I hate her. So i say, stay in school, or become a dead beat like my mum.

Something I won't be proud of but what can I say? I know im an idiot I guess but oh well I'll suffer with it later and think of something then right now im not worried about it.

[lightdarkness]

Good point 87x, but sometimes the problem is you dont want to help yourself, because you are so deeply depressed, bassicly that is what i was trying to say.

[RobbyZero]

Good point 87x, but sometimes the problem is you dont want to help yourself, because you are so deeply depressed, bassicly that is what i was trying to say.

That's definetly the case. I was doing so bad in school and I tryed for once and I was doing so good for some reason,the fact that everyone was happy for me and I was doing better for myself made me quit I believe...I just realized that..I think that's why I quit..and anyways I coudn't help it doing good,im destined for a shit life and thats the way it's going to be right now.

[87x]

im destined for a (#$% life and thats the way it's going to be right now.

that only if you believe in destiny..

true story:

Guy sells drugs his entire high school career, never gets any grade above a C in any class.. comes home one day and his house is being raded by cops.. he drives straight to the recruiting office and signs up for the military.. joins the navy, because a navigational expert.. retires after 20 yrs of service, now he teaches and designs new weapon software, and made over 100k by himself in 2001...

I know this story because it was my dad.. you make your life.. not your past..

[alainbryden]

inspirational

[Anticrombie0909]

87x, I love how you can keep talking about how depression is only in your mind, and you can get over it. Depression is a chemical imbalance. It's not something that can be helped on your own. You need help, and you need drugs, to get over depression. You keep saying that if you work hard enough it won't affect you, well, you've obviously never been depressed.

Depression is so completely absolute that it takes over your entire body and you would rather do anything than deal with the pain. I know how it feels. You feel like it is so horrible, even death would be better. That's why people commit suicide. It's not cowardness, or inability to cope with a problem, it's simply that the pain from depression is so horrible and complete even death would be better.

[87x]

87x, I love how you can keep talking about how depression is only in your mind, and you can get over it. Depression is a chemical imbalance. It's not something that can be helped on your own. You need help, and you need drugs, to get over depression. You keep saying that if you work hard enough it won't affect you, well, you've obviously never been depressed.
Depression is so completely absolute that it takes over your entire body and you would rather do anything than deal with the pain. I know how it feels. You feel like it is so horrible, even death would be better. That's why people commit suicide. It's not cowardness, or inability to cope with a problem, it's simply that the pain from depression is so horrible and complete even death would be better

depression is in your mind.. for the most part.. i know they have found it to be a chemical imbalance in your body.. blah.. blah ..blah.. yea.. whatever.. you feel bad because your not having fun.. or because your an idiot, and contenplate commiting suicide.. depression is just an excuse for people who are upset all the time.. they say its depression because its believalbe and they have the symptoms of it.. symptoms being depressed all the time.. i agree that depression is real.. but whay these people say they have isn't depression, thats just there scapegoat, its really just them being sad all the time not cause by the chemical imbalance but by the fact that they don't have any friends, or because of there social standing, or because of there abusive parents.. I just get sick and tired of people saying they have "depression" when then don't ... how is that every goth kid in the world has depression??.. its just not fucking possible.. and all these people who are sad are always like.. yea i got depression because im a fucking loser and can't learn to have fun with my life because I failed at trying to get friends..

[Master_of_PARANOiA]

aquaitances

Acquaintances.

I don't feel bad for Monoc, if he wanted to commit suicide that's his decision, but I do feel bad for his friends and family. Going through a death is harsh, I know, I've suffered many losses (Grandma Erma (died of alzheimer's. I was too young to attend the funeral, only 4 years old), Grandpa Abe (died of cancer. I saw the dead body at the funeral, 13 years old), numerous other relatives whose funerals I did not attend).


-There was a large statement here aimed at Anti, but I decided to take it out due to it's largeness-


This isn't my comeback post, I just saw the headline about Monoc's suicide and I thought I'd look around the forums. I probably won't be posting for another few months, so don't worry about me being around.

[Anticrombie0909]

they say its depression because its believalbe and they have the symptoms of it.. symptoms being depressed all the time.. i agree that depression is real.. but whay these people say they have isn't depression, thats just there scapegoat, its really just them being sad all the time not cause by the chemical imbalance but by the fact that they don't have any friends, or because of there social standing, or because of there abusive parents.. I just get sick and tired of people saying they have "depression" when then don't

Agreed, that there are a lot of kids that fake depression. However you'd be suprised how many are legitimately depressed, and you'd be suprised at how many don't come forward. Most truely depressed kids don't bitch about it .

how is that every goth kid in the world has depression??

Yay, Stereotyping! Can I have some more? Next, let's discuss how much vodka those damn Ivans over in Russia drink!

depression is in your mind.. for the most part.. i know they have found it to be a chemical imbalance in your body.. blah.. blah ..blah.. yea.. whatever.. you feel bad because your not having fun.. or because your an idiot, and contenplate commiting suicide.. depression is just an excuse for people who are upset all the time..

I have no better way to say this.



I have fun. I have lots of friends. I play games, I hang out, I generally have a pretty good life. I've been depressed before. It is NOT a rational thing. Being depressed isn't like being sad or lonely, there's a huge difference. Being depressed doesn't have any explanation. There is no logical reason for it, and there is no "cause."

I don't feel bad for Monoc, if he wanted to commit suicide that's his decision

Don't feel bad for Monoc because he committed suicide. Feel bad for him because he hated life enough to decide that death was better.

[RobbyZero]

Acquaintances.

Oops,I didn't even correct him either omg..

[melstrange]

He is/was a wonderful person

Monoc is my brother. I appriciate the encouraging and understanding comments you guys have written here. Monoc actually signed me up on this site a few weeks ago when he came and visited me. He's my younger brother by three years (he just turned 18 on April 15th). For those of you curious, he did shoot himself. My parents were the first to find him. My parents and I watched the cremation a few days ago and the funeral was held last Sat. He had been struggling with depression for many years and tried to get help constantly. He went through so many medication combinations it's not even funny, and has been seeing therapists, etc. the entire time. He tried so hard to get up every day and go to school and just to function. There were a few things he took pleasure in but he was truly miserable most of the time. Everyone in our family, including my parents and myself, tried to support him as well as encourage him to get out of his funk. But no matter how hard he tried, he wasn't getting any better. I know most of you really didn't know him, but please believe me he was one of the most empathetic people I've ever known. He would always try to make me feel better no matter what and would challange me to better myself. While it sound's sort of backwards, he really did try to get better. Just to let you all know, he had a quirky sence of humor that all around him loved dearly, and was increadibly smart. There were so many people that showed up at his funeral that it was standing room only, took up two rooms, and even standing room was limited. Everyone close to him is going to miss him dearly. I know that this was also a part of his life though too, so at least you now know the context. I'll keep my eye on the forum if you have any questions. My only request is that while you may disagree to his motives, etc., he is my brother who I love more than life itself. Just please, respect the memory of him.

[Feuergeist]

Hey anti. Have you ever head of a placebo?

[Kilgamayan]

No, I'm not saying that. Maybe you are crazy, since you seem to be hallucinating.

No, it's exactly what you're saying. Depression is a clinically diagnosed disease, and you're claiming his death is nothing to be sad about as if it was his fault he had depression. That's the same thing as saying someone who has cancer has no one to blame but themselves if they die.

Do you know if was severe?

Do you know it wasn't?

I'm not here to argue the validity of depression but suicides usually involving it tend to be the same sitiuation, over and over.

"Tend to be" != "always". Are you saying that if you run across 99 blacks (I hate that term -_-) that mugged you at knifepoint, if the next black you came across was Martin Luther King you'd assume he was going to mug you and attack him first? It's essentially the same thing.

Regardless of any of what I just said, I still stand by my statement. I have no clue why you guys have to try and 'ream my ass' about it. I haven't attacked your decision to feel sorry for the guy.

No, but you have attacked his decision to take his own life, claiming it to be the "coward's way out" when you have never been in that situation yourself (every situation is unique, so I don't care if you yourself had depression or not, because it's not the same). No matter the circumstances, a death is a death, and treating it so coldly and heartlessly will *always* get your ass reamed. Look what happened to VxDx.

The last point applies to anyone else here who claims that "there's always a way out". You don't know that for sure unless you've been in every position possible, and I somehow doubt that. You can make claims all you want, but you cannot say there's *always* a way out. You don't know jack about what happened, boy-o.

And who knows? Maybe he's better off now in the afterlife, hangin' with Jesus up in Heaven or something. How would that be cowardly?