o.o

[melstrange]

Paul knew exactly how his suicide would affect the people who loved him. He even admitted to my mom about how much he was morally against the whole idea of suicide. He knew it was selfish and that it was the easy way out. Even in his goodbye letter, the first thing he said was "I know I am being selfish". Paul had a very distinct view on the world and what was important. The single thing that caused him the most pain was knowing he was a disapointment to someone.

This was an increadibly selfish and self absorbed act. And I'm not saying his killing himself should be glorified. But also realized how hard he faught and to what lengths he pondered in his mind about the concequences of his actions. He agonized over this decision for 8 months before he finally decided enough was enough. He was trully miserable for years and saw no hope of that changing. He tried so hard to keep his head up every day and to try to find a meaning in life. His friends and family were what kept him going for so long, other wise this would've happened years ago.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that while I don't believe in condoning the fact he gave up on life, I do believe that we should praise him for sticking it out so far, for trying so hard, and for just being the wonderful person he is. And as mad as we are about him willingly leaving us, I want to remember him as the person he was and how much he enriched all of our lives.

[alainbryden]

As hard as that last paragraph is to agree with, I am touched, and will leave it at that unless someone else says something I really disagree with.

[87x]

Comments like yours Feuergeist, give me a horrible feeling in my stomach, i just can't believe some people can be so inhuman.

what comment might that have been??.. how he doesn't condone suicide, or when he was defending his point against all the fuck heads out there that think "if you don't think like me your wrong"

It just seems like such a tragedy to me that something that started out as such a nice dedication to a devoted fan of FFR, could have turned into a bashing ceremony about Monoc

Nobody has bashed anything about monoc except his decision to kill him self.. i never said he was a stupid person, or that he was an idiot in real life, or anything that "bashes" his personality.. We (me, fuegu, alain) simply just don't suicide was the best/only option, so that decision he made was stupid, it was idiotic, and was the easy way out.

great wonderful friends and an outstanding family and they, as much as

The family and friends have my respect.. monoc doesn't, and never will

Monoc clearly did not see the bigger picture when he did this. You cannot hope to say what he was or wasn't when he did it, and you cannot portray compassion with his actions. All you can to is acknowledge what a great guy he was, and what sorrow he caused.

nicely stated.

I stopped reading at about here because I fell out of my chair laughing

thats bad, cause i have done nothing but take this thread seriously the whole time..

Then 87x says something about suicide being the coward's way out (I KNOW I saw it this time) without being in the situation himself, which also made me laugh out loud.

yea i said it... i underlined it too.. and said that you could quote me on it.. and I won't take it back for anything, just because you don't know EVERYTHING there is to know about a situation doesn't mean you can't judge the outcome of it.. with the logic you use saying that I didn't know everything there was to know about it, encenuating that i can't make that judgement is stupid.. if you tell others to follow that, then you yourself should follow it also.. next time someone posts a screen shot of them AAA blur don't say shit.. you didn't know the exact condition of that person, there chemical balance, there dogs name, and the temperature.. so until you find all that out.. don't say shit about anybody elses situations ever again..

The single thing that caused him the most pain was knowing he was a disapointment to someone.

if this was true then he wouldn't of done it.. it just sounds like yall (his friends) are trying to make him out to be the most perfect person, perfect heart, perfect friends, perfect life, with no flaws.. but we know that not true because of what he did, something had to have been wrong in the works, that made him upset all the time.. (not just the chemical imbalance)

The single thing that caused him the most pain was knowing he was a disapointment to someone.

you knew about it??.. and didn't tell anybody??.. that a crime you know.. but i sill spare you the stress, and not say what i wanted to say..

He was trully miserable for years and saw no hope of that changing.

someone earlier said that he was happy and hung out with friends, and played video games.. and blah blah blah.. if he was truely "depressed" for years, then he wouldn't of been a happy person for all those "lan fests" (I think thats what they were called)... either he was a happy person most of the time, or a depressed person all the time.. can't really be both..

He tried so hard to keep his head up every day and to try to find a meaning in life

he didn't try hard enough because the meaning was right in front of him.. friends and family.. mostly family.. friends are somewhat important.. but family will always be there for you.. from what you ( the other new people who knew Paul) have said, he had plenty of friends, and a loving family.. thats the reason to live right there.. it's probably not that he couldn't find one.. but maybe cause he didn't want to find one..

[Kilgamayan]

next time someone posts a screen shot of them AAA blur don't say (#$%.. you didn't know the exact condition of that person, there chemical balance, there dogs name, and the temperature.. so until you find all that out.. don't say (#$% about anybody elses situations ever again..

I've never called BS on anyone anyway, so okay.

Rather than argue with logic here I'll just leave this as is because I'm lazy.

Plus I've no desire to desecrate this death more than it already has been.

[Moogy]

God you people are assholes.

Thanks to all the DECENT people in this thread that actually feel some sort of remorse towards this guy's death.

[VxDx]

God you people are assholes.

Thanks to all the DECENT people in this thread that actually feel some sort of remorse towards this guy's death.

stfu

[Omeganitros]

I think this thread needs to be locked...

[Moogy]

God you people are assholes.

Thanks to all the DECENT people in this thread that actually feel some sort of remorse towards this guy's death.

stfu

I don't exist.

[BluE_MeaniE]

Okay, how about you make a topic about suicide in the critical thinking forum, and this place is just to show respect for whoever you want to show respect for concerning this. If you want to be sorry for Paul, fine. If you don't want to be, you don't have to mention it. But this isn't for a debate, this is to honor someone who has recently taken his own life.

[melstrange]

thanks

Okay, how about you make a topic about suicide in the critical thinking forum, and this place is just to show respect for whoever you want to show respect for concerning this. If you want to be sorry for Paul, fine. If you don't want to be, you don't have to mention it. But this isn't for a debate, this is to honor someone who has recently taken his own life.

Thank you for that. I didn't want to say anything because I didn't want to bager people about expressing their opinion.

There is a difference between talking hypotheticaly or 'in general' but this is my baby brother! He's a good friend to many of you. I would really appriciate that if you want to discuss the morality of suicide, etc. make a new forum for it. This was supposed to honor the memory of Paul and for people to express their sympathy. I'd even participate in a discussion of suicide, but please not here. I feel like his memory is being attacked (I know that wasn't the intention) and I keep wanting to protect and justify him when I really shouldn't have to. What's done is done, nothing can change that. Please, respect me, my family, his friends, and all others that feel the same way. Don't involve Paul in the bitterness of your feelings.

[fefairman]

He was well known.

Did anyone actually know him IRL?

I knew him personally as a close friend, and I must say that I did everything I could to help him out with his depression. He had a number of close friendships and was not a loner, nor was he an idiot. He was simply a nice guy who had a genetic tendency toward depression, and although I will miss him immeasureably, I often find it amazing that he fought against his disease for as long as he did. As for those of you who call him a moron for choosing suicide as the way out, let me say that unless you have been through a depression as deep as his, you cannot possibly understand the pain he went through everyday simply to keep on living. As for verification of his death, I cannot prove it in any definite way if you truly choose not to believe that it happened. I can, however, tell you that his family and friends (including myself) are in a terrible stage of grieving for the loss that we are currently dealing with. If you choose not to respect this I obviously cannot stop you. Nevertheless, I ask you to please try to understand that many of you are talking casually about a subject that is extremely personal and emotional to some. By the way, in case anyone was interested, his first name was Paul.

[VxDx]

Re: He was well known.

...please try to understand that many of you are talking casually about a subject that is extremely personal and emotional to some.

but why post this on a internet message board for a flash game? (I realize that you yourself did not post this...)

[Hamsterbeat]

its sad that someone whom loved this game so much would do stuff but it happens. Two of my friends this past year have cut them selves, one repeatdly more than the other. It opened my eyes and it was hard for me to figure out why they did it. I mean whats the point. I want to see how life will turn out. I mean how old was he like 16, 17? What good is that to your self?

Please don't tell me i don't know what i'm talkign about cause aside from tthe friends cutting, a family friend of mine killed himslef while i was little. I didn't understand then but i do know. Also i have very depressed although it may not appear like it in real life. Yet, you have nothing to fear. I'm quite to cowardly to harm my own body.

May the Soul of this boy find his true path

[Mwerp]

Why am I not surprised this topic turned into a big debate? Pathetic.

[Hamsterbeat]

cause its ffr dude its just that way