Suicide.

[AquaTeen]

Re: Suicide.

Suicide is a selfish act because everyone has problems but people out there have other ways of dealing with them other than suicide. I was very suicidal at one point and I had to go into mental health. I think suicide is committed because others don't look at the whole picture and realize there are other ways of dealing with problems other than suicide. It's very selfish because they're so focused on helping themselves out by ending it all instead of thinking how others would feel if they lost that person... they worry about themselves and not about how other people would feel or take their suicide so it is a highly selfish act.

[Attractive]

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Every act is "selfish"
Suicide is one of the least "selfish" acts a person can commit. To rid the world of your existence is to do the world a favor. Those who have the courage to end their own lives are to be admired. Nothing is more pathetic than a person who is alive but does not live. That is, a person who takes but does not give. To kill yourself is to say to the world: I no longer have anything to offer and you have nothing to offer me. To commit suicide is to understand what it means to live. In suicide there is truth. The fewer people on the earth the better.

[RB_Dreamscanner]

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On the other hand, if you're dead you no longer feel that pain that you were seeking relief from.

Which goes along with the argument you stated that there is no proven after life, so they may throw it away a chance of doing anything. Where as since it has not been dis-proven either, this statement contradicts what you said earlier. REgardless sorry for all of those terrible things that happened, you're an extremely strong person to have gone through all of that and came out alive.

[ScylaX]

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If it's out of despair, suicide is more an act of finding a possible way to escape to what makes you suffer instead of finding freedom I think. To me, it's like presenting you a door, you don't know what's on the other side, you just know it will change everything. The more you'll feel hopeless, the more that "opportunity of the unknown" will interest you.
I see the suicide as the omen of the act where the individual is able to make anything to save himself in his "road to happiness", you cannot blame anybody to search for his own happiness, finding this selfish is like finding that the girl that dumped you is selfish because she doesn't like you anymore. It has to be interpretated as a fatalist occurrence for the people affected by the suicide of a peer. The more you'll be depressed, the more you'll curl on yourself and be asocial (in case you don't repress your feelings), everybody does that.

[MarioNintendo]

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Suicide is one of the least "selfish" acts a person can commit. To rid the world of your existence is to do the world a favor. Those who have the courage to end their own lives are to admired. Nothing is more pathetic than a person who is alive but does not live. That is, a person who takes but does not give. To kill yourself is to say to the world: I no longer have anything to offer and you have nothing to offer me. To commit suicide is to understand what it means to live. In suicide there is truth. The fewer people on the earth the better.

You've got to be trolling on this one. You just can't be thinking this for real. It's like your saying: "We won't admire the scum that you are until you kill yourself."

[ScylaX]

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Suicide is one of the least "selfish" acts a person can commit. To rid the world of your existence is to do the world a favor. Those who have the courage to end their own lives are to admired. Nothing is more pathetic than a person who is alive but does not live. That is, a person who takes but does not give. To kill yourself is to say to the world: I no longer have anything to offer and you have nothing to offer me. To commit suicide is to understand what it means to live. In suicide there is truth. The fewer people on the earth the better.

You've got to be trolling on this one. You just can't be thinking this for real. It's like your saying: "We won't admire the scum that you are until you kill yourself."

Well that guy truly doesn't understand that what you can feel can be totaly opposite to what you can think. It doesn't matter your opinion on life, from the moment you'll be totally despaired, it will be like the way you view things will be imposed even though you know there is always a hope and that what you can think is only the sole perception of an ego. You can hardly blame anyone for crying and condemning that kind of behavior is despicable, somebody that screams for death has to be helped even though you don't like him or whatever, because that guy needs help and like life anew.

As an example, I already have been disgusted from existence to a point nihilism went to be my main perception like I obsessed myself on some things like the bones in my head or morbid ideas for a few minutes even though I'm not that depressed over that or habitually ignore them. And another day I could be irrationally enjoying life and telling to myself that dying would be a waste for the world because of how great I am or whatsoever - it doesn't make these two statements true to myself, it's just different states of sensivity, just as anybody near to kill itself would be.
But I think Attr is talking about, say, emo boys or girls that makes depressiveness a voluntary way of life because of how "cool" it is even though I could be mistaken.

[G.S.M]

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I don't know I think suicide is really pointless. People don't need to commit it and shouldn't. I have never once thought about suicide in my life. I've gone through problems, not serious like being raped etc. Just dealing with death in the family and other stuff.

People kill themselves over tiny things, I think suicide is the dumbest thing someone could do. I am a strong person and I look down upon people who think of suicide. I will however try and help that person if its a friend or family member, but at the same time tell them how dumb it is to think about such a thing. People go through problems, as for serious problems there are people that move on. Everyone is not the same, but these are just my thoughts on the matter.


It just pisses me off that people kill themselves when they can get help. Hell, it is their fault because most people that have a successful suicide never ask for help even if they have good friends or family.

idk, I have a best friend who thinks of suicide rarely and I want to tell him how dumb he is, but of course I tell him everything will be fine and all that jazz and I will help him, though I do cringe sometimes. His life has gotten a lot better and he is happy

[ScylaX]

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«Strong» person should understand weak persons guys stop being as arrogant as that when it comes to the matter of "being weaker". Since when not being able to overcome some things makes you dumb ? I'd like to know it very much

[G.S.M]

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Everyone has different views of things in the world. Yes, I do come from a family of very strong-willed people. I try not to sound arrogant but that's just how I feel about suicide. It is so unnecessary in my view and anyone can overcome it if they seek the help, though the thoughts may never disappear entirely, it won't be as strong.

My best friend has had strong thoughts of suicide. He has had a good life and somewhat of a rough life. Mostly with some of his foster family and other things, air force, etc, I do say he is one of the weaker-willed people. But his thoughts of suicide have become almost non existent (starting this year) making him stronger-willed overtime, so if he can overcome it ...anyone can. He sought the help from everyone around him including me. Most just do not want to bother with help or think its too hopeless because they feel like a empty shell inside

[Emithith]

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:\ I just want to say that it IS selfish act in a way because the people around you get hurt from it too. No one wants to be the person who tipped that guy over the edge. I'm sure they would feel endless guilt about that.

Also, loved ones that you may have will be extremely sad if you do choose to prematurely end your life. Plus with that in mind what if you committed suicide because you lost a loved one? What would happen to YOUR loved ones?

Just throwing those ideas into the melting pot.

Oh one more thing, GSM brought something interesting up. I don't actually believe that anyone can fully get over their thoughts about suicide. They will always creep back up when you are feeling the slightest bit depressed. I know this for a fact.

[ScylaX]

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@Emithith Please read my post and answer to it because it's a direct counter-argument to what you posted on the selfishness of suicide and I'd like very much to debate on that point with you.

@GSM Nope, if some guy can overcome it, that doesn't mean somebody else could obligatory feel the same thing since as humans we're roughly different and it can be really extreme at some points, not talking about opinions but, say, personality - it just depend of how you can take it and you can trust me, the tolerance threshold is highly versatile. And even as determined and as fired up you can be, depression can always hit you, and that bias cannot be easily overcame by everyone and the "chronology of depression" can evolve in many way possible depending on the person - even if some guy was breathing rainbows in his normal state, he could just feel suicidal for any reason and has a really hard time to surpass that ; Human can be surprising when he hits a "bad mental state". I can understand why you find it stupid, but that guy over there than is totally depressed and suicidal may not have the same perception than you. It just depends of the chemical reaction and production of his brains.

[G.S.M]

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I just feel strongly that its never hopeless, never ever. No matter how extreme a person feels about something such as this, someone can do something to help them. I may find it stupid but as I said I will try to help them anyway I can. A person does not need to give up on life. I do understand that people are different and every person is not the same. For some people they may need to be checked upon every single day for a very long time, others for months etc. Obviously more needs to be done than checking up on the person, but you get my point...

no matter how badly someone wants to die they should not give up

[Emithith]

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Since when not being able to overcome some things makes you dumb ? I'd like to know it very much

It makes you weak and helpless. You often need someone stronger than you to help guide you through it. In no way does it make you dumb.

[ninjaKIWI]

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Some people in this thread need to think about suicide. Stop bumping old posts.

It looked like everyone was having a good discussion to me. I don't see what's wrong with bumping old threads so long as you add some content.

Oh, sorry, I guess this forum just gets WAY too much traffic to have old threads clogging the front page, regardless of whether there's legitimate conversation going on.

tl;dr You're dumb, and so is everyone else who whines their fucking asses off about bumped threads.

[Cavernio]

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I just feel strongly that its never hopeless, never ever.

You can either think 1 of 2 things about people who are suicidal:

1) People are like you, in that they feel there is never any reason for hopelessness. And yet here they are, feeling hopeless. That implies that there are situations that even you could be put in, where hopelessness will nevertheless happen. That means that your ideas about hopelessness are plainly wrong, or else the person wouldn't be suicidal in the first place.

2) People aren't like you, in that they do feel there are reasons for hopelessness. Since the person isn't like you though, then anything you say about not ever being hopeless isn't going to be valid to those people, and so they're going to think your babble about weak vs strong is total BS. You sound like an arrogant idiot, and you're hurting, not helping the situation, because you're one more person to dislike in the world, one more pretentious person who thinks that everyone should be and act like you.

In either case, you're just wrong that there's never any reason to be hopeless, and furthermore, you are actually hurting your point about thinking that suicide is wrong, not helping it.