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Re: Suicide.
Your life is your own. Being able to choose for yourself what you want to do with your life should be your own freedom.Comment
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Re: Suicide.
im pretty sure this has been mentioned already but if not then this is what i thinkWhen is suicide "acceptable"? Where do we draw the line?
when the pain caused by living outweighs the negative effects on loved ones that would be caused by that persons death. when this point is reached that is when imo someone contemplate suicide. so say someone has had horrible luck, causing strain in the families relationship with one another and also becoming a financial burden to the people that person loved. in the persons mind thinking about all this they could come to the conclusion that everyone would be better of if that person was dead. after these initial suicidal thoughts it would really only take one more misfortune to tip the scale causing that person to commit suicide. so going with this i dont think suicide is selfish just a wrong mindset when analyzing problems
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Re: Suicide.
A question for you guys: What's so bad about being alone? I personally like quiet time by myself. In fact, living a life of solitude with internet is all I need - "going outside" with friends (read: acquaintances) for me is just a waste of time since it's not really fun and sometimes they just like to drink and smoke.
Do you guys like quiet time by yourselves? Why would being alone make you depressed? Technically I'm alone practically all the time except when I'm in school or there's something my parents want me to do or some other event like a vacation - I'm in my room reading, resting, doing bicep exercises, on the laptop, homework, whatever else. I don't have any true friends in real life to talk to but I am not depressed/lonely. If anything, online is where all my REAL friends are at, and even then that's only a few.Originally posted by hi19hi19Comment
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Re: Suicide.
you have friends online. while you may not be with people physically you still arent alone. its when you feel like you have no one at all that depression kicks in and suicide thoughts linger in your headComment
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Re: Suicide.
on the real tho, theres nothing wrong with enjoying being alone. i spend a lot of time alone. i like to zone out making music alone, eat at restaurants alone, watch tv alone, etc.. doesnt mean i dont enjoy my friends tho, god damn. get real du, get some friends. drinking and smoking are parts of life. sack up and have a drinkComment
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Re: Suicide.
None, when you don't need someone to cheer you up. And, sometimes, it's hard to do it by yourself.
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Suicide is still an uncomfortable topic, as you can see in the divergences of opinions here, so the "thinking" goes in (trying to) come up with a rational answer for this. Plenty of people here know someone who commited suicide, so it's normal for them to try understand what's up with a suicide's mind.Originally posted by Glucuronolactone
Btw, I know your question was ironic, but my reply is here anyway.Last edited by Shikari; 12-16-2010, 11:10 PM.
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Re: Suicide.
Right. It's boring to do something you enjoy if other people aren't physically there while you do it, and nothing is more meaningful than smoking, drinking, and sharing small talk. And of course, no skills or knowledge you acquire on the internet could ever be worth anything.Originally posted by YieldsignBest AAA: Policy In The Sky [Oni] (81)
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Re: Suicide.
yeah because the only things you can do with other people are drinking and smoking and small talk it's not like people find love and connect with other people on a deep level or anything
seriously **** that whole "inter human experience" thing it's totally worthless when you can just sit around on the computer all day playing arrow games and making posts on a forum on topics that don't apply to yourself because you don't have a real life
seriously, i have to say that you're either lying to yourself or joking when you condone that. it's one thing to be somewhat solitary; i am extremely solitary and require a lot of alone time. it's another thing to keep yourself cooped inside hunched over a computer denying the basic human instinct for relations with other people.Comment
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Re: Suicide.
Your definition of loneliness doesn't quite fit the typical desolation of being -truly- alone. As you've said, you use the computer/internet as an escape from those who differ from your own opinions, morals, hobbies, etc. The issue in question here is those who truly have no one to turn to simply because no one can comprehend the obstacles that their life entails, and discussion of it would be pointless because of the lack of understanding. You also have those who don't want to share their issues due to insecurities within themselves, which adds even more of an issue because even the closest of people might question you for something you do.
A person spending their spare time to better themselves (as Marcus had mentioned before) will do them better in the long run because they're striving for something that will eventually bring them to a better position. If you're alone when doing your typical hobbies, it's alright because not everyone shares the same interests as you and no one is expected to do as much. However, if the issue becomes a lack of understanding of others (almost like an implied excommunication with the rest of the world), it could be a lot more problematic.
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As aggressively put as this is, I do have to agree with this somewhat. Entirely relying on artificial communication rather than physical communication will not entirely rid of your problems, but it may serve as a temporary escape from the problems, which is all someone needs to get themselves in the right direction (or, alternatively, just prolong the inevitable).Last edited by TC_Halogen; 12-17-2010, 12:13 AM.Comment
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Re: Suicide.
Survival is the most basic instinct of every living organism. If you think of it from the perspective of a person who is suffering from deep and chronic depression, survival may be too painful, so in their mind suicide is a kind of survival through death. When our limbs become too infected to function, we remove them. If a mind is attacking the body, constantly infecting the body with negativity, the only way to save himself/herself is to stop the brain from functioning.Last edited by Rubin0; 12-17-2010, 12:24 AM.The weight of what I say depends on how you feel.Comment
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Re: Suicide.
Here's the thing -- humans are social creatures. We've evolved that way -- we feel happier and are generally more successful at any metric we choose when we're with others. Especially if you read Gladwell's book Outliers, it's all the more apparent that nobody ever makes it alone.
Of course, there's a difference between living an introverted/solitary lifestyle and being alone. You can live a solitary lifestyle and still have people to talk to when you wish -- people who can help you. When you're suffering alone, you have no one else to help you but yourself. You may even have friends you can talk to, but none of them may be close enough to really empathize with you. This can be a problem if a mind is so lost and confused that it justifies/talks itself into an irrational framework that ultimately results in suicide.
I don't think there's anything unhealthy about having friends online, but you also have to keep in mind that online communities are temporary. People come and go -- and eventually leave for good. I've been a member of plenty of online communities, but the people I encounter are only a part of my communicable life for a few years. It's hard to make "good friends" in such a small time. Are you okay with the notion of temporary friendships?Last edited by Reincarnate; 12-17-2010, 07:18 AM.Comment
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Re: Suicide.
(Sorry if what I'm about to say has already been suggested in this thread) It's obviously a difficult subject to discuss: people are going to think those that have committed, or tried to commit suicide are selfish, however, you can easily claim that those that want the person suffering with depression to not kill themself is also selfish. I can understand why people may feel both concepts are selfish - why would somebody want to lower the morale of their family and friends; why would somebody want another person to live on suffering (be the reason to the suicide depression or a terminal illness)?
When you consider both of these, it's difficult to conclude if suicide is selfish or not - well, I think so anyway. Maybe one side should be more accepting of whatever course is taken?
Maybe the depressed person has no other worthwhile contacts? Let's assume the family have all passed away and that the friendships have disbanded (I'm taking into consideration what UnkownMan has said) - surely that isn't the end as that allows many opportunities (meeting new people and join different communities, for example). I am aware that the temptation of not trying to achieve anything may seem strong, but as the clichéd saying goes - and it's cliché due to popularity and relevance, not just because it's "naff" - "there's light at the end of the tunnel."|||||Comment
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Re: Suicide.
that is not the only way. the brain is said to have plasticity, meaning that it's flexible in its ability to change and adapt to new/different modes of thinking.
what i would like to say is that most of us are too busy in comparing ourselves to others. we think "if i only had more money i could finally do so-and-so," or "if i had a lover i could experience such joy." while there is nothing truly wrong about these desires there is something screwy to me about needing more things/people just to experience some fleeting gratification.
and that's what should be realized: that everything is fleeting, it will pass, everything is impermanent excluding the constant flow of stillness. OKAY so that was my cliche amalgamation of trite platitudes resulting in redundancy. however, i still stand by this realization (it is not my own - people have been giving this message for millennia)
ANYWAYS, i'm not sure what else i should say at the moment but just know that it is possible to change how you look at the phenomena that surrounds us all
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