Suicide.

[Oni-Paranoia]

Re: Suicide.

Here's an argument:

I had friends, I had a home, had a mother who cared deeply and a sister who was always there for me. I mingled with the girl next door for about half a year until **** hits the fan and after a week or so of cutting I really felt that it really wasn't for me. But even with all those resources, I attempted suicide. Now I'm curious to see if anyone can figure out why. I was 13 at the time*

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Believing I don't know anything about pain is hard.
Knowing I don't know anything about pain, might involve experiencing some pain.

But as for knowing about death, what does that have to do with experiencing pain?

sorry, I really can't deal with your incoherency. try to articulate your thoughts in a way that makes sense, because honestly this doesn't

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Re: Suicide.

and here's my stance:

regardless of whether or not suicide is selfish, it is always acceptable/permissible, and our legislation should reflect that. in the end, there is only one person who has control over his own life, and that is himself.

i think the implications of prohibiting suicide are frightening. you're essentially legislating "psychological harm" which is, at least for NOW, far too dubious and arbitrary to incorporate into law in such a manner.

[Kesshutsu]

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I agree.

[5.points]

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and here's my stance:

regardless of whether or not suicide is selfish, it is always acceptable/permissible, and our legislation should reflect that. in the end, there is only one person who has control over his own life, and that is himself.

i think the implications of prohibiting suicide are frightening. you're essentially legislating "psychological harm" which is, at least for NOW, far too dubious and arbitrary to incorporate into law in such a manner.

Of course it's "permissable". It's impossible and stupid to think that you can legally prohibit a person from doing something to themselves.

Don't you at least think there should be as much prevention from suicide as possible?

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you'd be surprised at how many people DON'T think it's stupid. It was only until the 90s that all US states annulled their laws concerning suicide... not to mention the entire religious population that has a strong stance on suicide.

I also certainly do NOT think it is impossible to think that you can legally prohibit a person from doing something to themselves - drug legislation?

Anyway, of course I think suicide should be discouraged and proper counseling and psychiatric evaluation/care should be given to someone who is suicidal - but I'm not sure that it should be compulsory. It's a murky issue... I haven't given too much thought on the extent that compulsory prevention should play.

[5.points]

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I also certainly do NOT think it is impossible to think that you can legally prohibit a person from doing something to themselves - drug legislation?

I suppose you could say that there are laws against doing things that involve doing things to oneself. However, you can't physically control the actions that anyone dose unless you are in some kind of institution and/or being constantly watched. Most drug laws prohibit the possession of said drugs.

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I agree - you're mostly preaching to the choir, because I don't think suicide legislation is at all sensible... I only wanted to make the point that many people do.

[Aldentron]

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I have been diagnosed with bipolar depression for almost two years now, of course I always had it.

To this day, almost every time I run out of my medicine, I think of suicide. I think that it would be a selfish thing to do. Who knows what I can accomplish in the future? To take my own life would be shutting doors in the face of people that possibly need me.

Psychiatry is educated guess work. While you may have a prescription from your doctor, those specific pills or that specific dosage may not be the right one for you. Luckily it didn't take long for my doctor to figure out the right medications and dosages for me, and I feel much better when I take them. If you find yourself seeing a psychiatrist and are prescribed medicine that doesn't seem to work, don't give up. Just make sure your psychiatrist knows that you still feel depressed and they will likely try something different.

On another note, would you consider martyr-ism or sacrifice a form of suicide? That is the only way I can see suicide as not being selfish, as in leaping in front of a bullet to save a friend or push a child out of the way of a speeding car.

[mhss1992]

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Would about people with drug addictions?

My aunt was severely addicted to narcotics and went through several rehab programs and none helped her. When she committed suicide she left a short note about how the drugs were going to kill her anyway. Drugs that are dangerously addictive can bring any strong minded person down to nothing. Once you've gone so far, you're literally left with nothing, no money, no friends, no one wants to be around you, you most likely never to get a job, no self confidence whatsoever.

I know that things like drug addictions start with the foolish action to start but what I'm trying to say is that suicide is caused by more just depression and sadness.

How exactly does that not qualify into the things I described?
She decided to commit duicide because she believed that there was no hope left, thinking it was pointless to keep trying.

[mhss1992]

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darkshark: This description actually applies to me. I've always had some sort of emotional/physical struggle going on -- my mom abandoned the family and my father was killed. I had friends, but in many cases, they were surface-level -- and my true friends were few in number. I also went into a fairly large debt (luckily I am able to afford it with my job and everything) because of the stuff that went on with my family. Friends may be present, but they may be too uninvolved or scared to GET involved. They may not be able to really provide much solace. Counselors may come across as mere venting-receptacles. Even if you reach out to those closest to you, sometimes it just isn't enough.

I've contemplated suicide a few times, to be honest -- but in recent years, those thoughts have gone away as I've gained more friends, a girlfriend, a new life, an education, revisited hobbies, etc. Life is good again.

During those dark times when I've felt alone and burdened, suicide felt like a VERY attractive, viable option. When you feel very alone in the world with nobody who can empathize with your way of thinking -- or when everything in your life seems to be out of your control and going downhill -- it can be very tempting to just put an end to your misery, especially if it's chronic. But the thing that kept me from ever doing it was the notion that pressures are often temporary. Whenever things get dark, they always get better later if you are willing to reach out and either get help or work to improve your situation in some way.

Wow.
I guess those difficulties somehow made you overcompensate to become what you are today, right?

My past was considerably less difficult. Just lots of bullies, bullies, bullies and no friends. I still have to deal with my crazy mother, though. Nowadays, I still have a certain trauma of hearing people laugh behind me (even though they're almost never laughing at me) and feel humiliated very easily when people are better than me in some way. Anyway... I don't even know why I'm telling you this.
I never thought about committing suicide, though.

[5.points]

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How exactly does that not qualify into the things I described?
She decided to commit duicide because she believed that there was no hope left, thinking it was pointless to keep trying.

What I was trying to say is there are understandable reasons. In your post when you say how suicides are when people see their pain as not worth enduring and it's pretty much from "stupid reasons" you seem to not understand when kind of pain these people go through.

I completely agree that a fair share of suicides are from people who give up easily, but humans can only take so much pain, sometimes suicide can seem so tempting. Its something you wont understand until you actually get that low.

[mhss1992]

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What I was trying to say is there are understandable reasons. In your post when you say how suicides are when people see their pain as not worth enduring and it's pretty much from "stupid reasons" you seem to not understand when kind of pain these people go through.

I completely agree that a fair share of suicides are from people who give up easily, but humans can only take so much pain, sometimes suicide can seem so tempting. Its something you wont understand until you actually get that low.

Suicide is the easy choice. I believe it's always possible to improve the situation somehow... Unless I became tetraplegic. I guess I'd rather die in this particular case. That doesn't mean it isn't a stupid decision, though... Who knows what one could still intellectually achieve in this situation?

and here's my stance:

regardless of whether or not suicide is selfish, it is always acceptable/permissible, and our legislation should reflect that. in the end, there is only one person who has control over his own life, and that is himself.

i think the implications of prohibiting suicide are frightening. you're essentially legislating "psychological harm" which is, at least for NOW, far too dubious and arbitrary to incorporate into law in such a manner.

I have to agree.

However, there are some bad circumstances... What if the person wants to commit suicide due to some crazy religious belief or some lie other people convinced them of? What if they're at a really altered mental state when they make this decision? They could look back (if still alive) and realize how absurd it was.

It's not a simple matter...

[BethanyBangs]

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People commit suicide because there's something in their life that's bothering them, and they probably feel that they can't tell anyone about it.

An example is my stepsister, she was depressed for a while, and she didn't text me for days when she was at her mom's house. Weeks when she came back she told me she tried to kill herself. That she took about 30 painkillers and passed out. Threw up and peed blood. But she didn't die. So i guess it wasn't her time..

And i think it is selfish. Because they don't think about the people that care for them.
Just my honest opinion.

[5.points]

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Suicide is the easy choice. I believe it's always possible to improve the situation somehow... Unless I became tetraplegic. I guess I'd rather die in this particular case. That doesn't mean it isn't a stupid decision, though... Who knows what one could still intellectually achieve in this situation?

It's unlikely that you'll achieve anything intellectual while addicted to narcotics and nothing to your name.

I completely agree with what you're saying, you just don't seem to be looking at all the circumstances. You say you would rather die then be tetraplegic? That's exactly what I was saying.