My depersonalization over the last year

[Spenner]

Re: My depersonalization over the last year

I hate that though. "simply make a rule saying you can't sell herbal incense products that contain synthetic cannabinoids." Because you know the depth of that. It's impossible. The problem still lies in impossibility.

At the bottom line, yes. Any extra footsteps for them to take to get to the point to where they are selling these things, they will likely still likely take.

But that doesn't mean that someone undercover could waltz in, buy a pack, take it to a laboratory, show the results to a judge, and have them taken away immediately. A pain in the ass for the sellers and for police, but it's the only thing I can foresee happening that isn't an awareness campaign.

So ye, making people aware. And not scare tactics either. If I were to go about it, I would just be straight with how these things actually work. You've been doing research into why these substances can be damaging to the physical brain, people need to have that on their mind and not just the image of a "bad trip" (Reefer Madness type example lol).

It's hard for the average person who just "wants to get high" to understand what they're getting into. That's why you see people smoking salvia thinking it will be like getting stoned. Ohboy.

"K2/Spice is a really, really dangerous drug. It is best described as crystal meth and LSD combined and ten times stronger."

I understand the good intentions by labelling this drug as something just as potentially harmful, but saying that it's a really strong dirty candyflip is not the case, and a false comparison. You're better off comparing it to PCP for it's dissociative effects, not something ridiculous like a full body stimulant x10, and a 10 strip of acid. Delirious, dissociative effects like you might get on a bad salvia trip, but without the intense hallucinogenic effects, is closer still. Sorry if it sounds like I'm asserting some sort of authority here, I'm not, I just don't want you to go around talking to people as if it were like meth + acid. That's more in the realm of bath salt related designer drugs.

[XXXsmittyXXX]

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I should have mentioned that Salvatore and his crew are all out of imprisonment and that he plans to open up another spice shop in the coming months when the jwh laws settle. It's pure proof that it's not going to stop. About the undercover purchasing, they made about 9 undercover purchases from bonsai and all were illegal compounds from a wide array of synthetic drugs including bath salts. He wasn't so good at hiding chems, sal already did a 5 yr stint in prison for selling cocaine, he was trying to be a drug dealer legit this time so he could get his jimmies off, but he got caught up in chemical warfare. I know that he gets a feel from giving this product to people, it's most likely the same feeling he got from selling white.

They can keep making undercover buys and trying and trying but this will boil down to awareness forever until it stops. The average person who wants to get high looks like an amazing person when i see those individuals at 'high tyde' you can tell theyve never abused anything in their life and theyre afraid of weed. Everything in me screams to just tell them to go away and never come back and that they don't know what theyre getting themselves into

Oh, assert authority or not, This is like meth and lsd combined times ten and if i must, ill say times twenty. I have gotten the same up and down effects from the 2 times i did bath salts compared to the thousands of uses of k2 and spice.

[Spenner]

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I guess they could also make it a legal requirement at LEAST to have the same awareness packaging as cigarettes must have now. Not with fearful images of a damaged body, but telling people:

"This is a dissociative synthetic drug, that could potentially replicate the effects of psychosis. Psychotic effects may involve delirious thoughts and panic attacks, heavily dissociated."

Though no matter what you're right that it's an impossibility. There will always be "the drug" people who want to get high, get high off of. The set out to do it, they will find something. There's countless options, and a lot of them are easy to get. The war on drugs is futile, but I guess you can't spell awareness without war squeezed in.

[XXXsmittyXXX]

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If people keep dying in my 50 mile radius that will happen without a doubt, or all product will have a special law put into effect or daily cop checks to make sure they arent selling it. We already have armed guards at every spice shop, and cops that look for people swerving into the spice shops. Most stay open 24 hours a day so people strung out from a 4 1/2 day meth binge can come drive into a shop to buy some. Do you think they are adept for operating a motor vehicle? No. I'm not going to stop this war. I almost jumped in the car and drove to high tyde but i sat down in this chair and started typing. This thread is very important right now to me

[nois-or-e]

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Stay strong mate. You've obviously got a lot of people here and irl that truly care and want to help/see you make it out of this in one piece.

I'm just glad that over here that sort of thing is frowned at. Most people that I've ever heard of ordering this shit online and smoking it have pretty much hated it and gone right back to smoking dope.

[Mollocephalus]

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While the idea of such filthy substances being legal gives me the creeps i think it may actually be the only real solution... a portion of the population will always be looking for things to get high to for different reasons. Instead of getting it from drug dealers who fuel the black market, you get it from the state itself and at the same time get educated about the dangers of what you're getting into. There is so much intentional misinformation about drugs and drug effects it's disgusting to even think about it. Smitty, stay strong. I really mean it, you'll get out of this nightmare. And i have the feeling this will teach you a great life lesson shaping what you will become from now on. If you can save other people from what happened to you, by all means do so. That only increases the respect i have for what you're doing right now.

[XXXsmittyXXX]

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A lot of this guilt stems from the fact that i gave this drug to others unknowingly. I poisoned my ex gf and a part of me thinks i made her hate me because of it. This k2 / spice made me reach the brink of physically assaulting sarah and i think she still knows that. When i saw her take a hit and literally not be able to speak or move a muscle i became frustrated and wanted to attack out of psychosis.

Knowledge is power. Never stop saying

For the record no i never assaulted her but there were many times i teetered between the edge of sanity and wanted to strike her in the face or was so doped up that i wanted to just walk away for 24 hours and think. There was no relationship while she lived with me, it was all based on k2. Sex, productivity, cooking a meal with someone you love, seeing a movie, nothing is real when youre addicted to spice.

And here goes again. I sit here wondering why high tyde is open right now and i wonder why im not on my way there buying a 6 gram bag of 'pure fire'. Sickening. Just let this pass

[Spenner]

Re: My depersonalization over the last year

When I feel an impulse to abuse something, I try to isolate it from the rest of my mind. If I don't, I'll integrate with it. I'll start thinking rationally and start making an argument for doing it. When it's isolated, you label it in your mind as a radical compulsion, and look at it like you would a sick patient at a hospital. Dissect it. Why does it feel so impulsive, this gesture to want to go out and abuse something? Keep it as distanced from your rational thinking as you can and you should be able to keep it pushed aside.

The same disciplines I've used for resisting hunger when eating was not in the equation, physical pain, emotional impulses, all of that have been a result of control by isolation. It might be hard to control your mental heirarchy if you're in a dreadful mood, but do your best to relax as much as you can, so that it's ripe to be organized. Goodluck~ doing great so far.

[Zeldagurlfan1]

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i read all of this in complete awe. especially that you got dev pregnant.... poor christan....

[XXXsmittyXXX]

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Good morning update. Just woke up i feel less foggy but my head hurts i want to smoke. and there is a shitload of snow on the ground. I'm going to make some coffee and make a snowman haha. I'm sure all the spice shops are closed today so it's a relief that this can be a day that i know everyone won't be abusing / dying.
Poor Christian? Do you not stop Sarah, no you don't, ever. Poor christian nothing, i'm looking at this as a great thing to help drive me out of addiction, not "poor christian".

"I hope you feel better.. i guess"

[Cavernio]

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Make sure you get the snowman's gender just right, otherwise someone might mistake it for a snowoman.

[Mollocephalus]

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Make it transgender

[popsicle_3000]

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quite a propos lol

[XXXsmittyXXX]

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It's a pussy excuse for a snowman but whatever i had fun earlier. It is not transgendered. Having kind of a hard time right now with my thoughts i have anxiety and my hands keep sweating everytime the urge comes on to smoke. I called high tyde and hpt and they are both open serving spice all day regardless of the monstrous snow, so sad.
Ive been watching a lot of ultimate factories so far the best episode has been peterbilt.
These men really know what theyre doing on the job it's kind of insane to see. That's been keeping me pretty busy and of course the wii but i'm so burnt out on lego star wars and lego pirates of the caribean that i could just scream. This kid refuses to play wii sports... sigh hangin in there still clean

[Mollocephalus]

Re: My depersonalization over the last year

Hang in there bro, and instead of obsessing about what the drug sellers are doing, try to focus on other activities. vent a lot, the people around you care and will help you through this. How many days have you gone without?