KONY 2012

[t-rogdor]

Re: KONY 2012

@links, numbers posted etc etc: I read the links. I expected at least one of them to tell me IC is a fluke, a fake propaganda, fallacy, NOT legit. All I read was skepticism and numbers accused of telling another story.

Those numbers suggest that they don't use the money for what purposes are stated. They also point out how the armies IC is literally funding rape and steal from people. So yeah. They're "a fallacy".

32% may sound small, but $2.8 mill is $2.8 mill, and it was the main chunk of their spending. No one paid them to reach lobbyists, no one paid them to grab a plane ticket to Uganda to show their support. They didn't want a half-ass movie to catch the eyes of the world.

32% of their total profits. 2.8 million dollars might be 2.8 million dollars, but it's nothing compared to the ~8 million that COULD have gone to actually doing something. While I appreciate the funds to make a movie and raise awareness, again I must stress that 1) They could've made a much lower budget film, 2) this movie won't accomplish jack shit, and 3) THEY SPENT 16 THOUSAND DOLLARS ON "ENTERTAINMENT". COMPANY MONEY ON THEIR OWN JOY.

I read in that tumble link saying "Something isn't always better than nothing. Sometimes it's worse." What a load of bullshit. Let me know when advocating something we believe is right is worse. Like being too lazy sitting on our ass, waiting for the Taco Bell/Doritos chip to come out. Fat asses.

lol you took the taco bell thing seriously.
something isn't better than nothing if that something goes to funding the wrong purposes. Advocating isn't bad; activism is great. BUT not when it's at the hands and purposes of a greedy bullshit company masquerading as a charity.

I hope you guys don't catch E.Coli from those Taco Bell Dorito chips. Then again...

wishing harm on your fellow man. A+ Activism talk!

Choof and trog don't bring up any good points; they bring up points of laziness and distrust and worry that the group's incompetent. Essentially their point is 'why bother?'

no, my (our) point is 'why bother wasting your money when it's going into the hands of a company that is lying to you' and also 'this man is way more powerful than what Bullshit Pseudo-Activism can accomplish'.

How many people who are against this have actually watched the video in full? Because the video clearly shows (perhaps erroneously, although I don't know how/why that would be the case, but there are clearly a bunch of skeptics) that when people actually worked together en masse towards getting the US government to do something, they did something.

...exceeeeept the US government has been trying to find this guy already, as it is. there's no need to get them to do something because they already fucen are. Also

when people actually worked together en masse towards getting the US government to do something, they did something.

right because pressuring the government into not passing sopa only to have them turn around and start ACTA or whatever the hell it is was a total success.
total.

It's no longer 'we hope world leaders will do something', it's 'we need more time to get this done, and we need to keep the pressure on the world leaders'.

how about 'we need to get off our stupid asses and do something ourselves instead of paying some company $30 so they can make a movie and then we sit back and hope the world leaders notice'. What speaks louder to you? Getting people to see a movie (effectively giving IC an assload of cash), or rioting in the streets until something is done?

The message is loud and clear. Much like how SOPA and bill C32 have been put on hold due to public outcry, your opinion, and letting your opinion be known, matters.

Right! Your opinion matters until someone offers someone else money to ignore it. Welcome to politics, asshole.

Furthermore, again as the video states, world governments have done nothing because they've had no immediate reason to.

lmfao

If your job is to run YOUR country as best as you can, as we see, it often becomes we vs they, and whatever shit that goes on in uganda is of no consequence, especially in light of all the shit that is likely going on in your country that you need to address. But if the people in your country are appalled and want to actually do something, who are you, as that country's leader, to say no?

i'm pretty sure that not only are you factually incorrect but completely unaware of how being in an office of power even works. It's pretty much NEVER "we vs they". International relations and, by proxy, problems that occur outside the country, are a large part of being a leader.

It is unfortunate they don't explain where the money's going, choofers, but it's not like this is something like the Heart and Stroke foundation that works on an on-going basis, has been around for years, and knows how much money they'll probably get, so it's fairly easy to give break-downs of where the money's going.

any company that doesn't plan on being a long-term operation can stay right the **** away from my or anyone with half a brain's money

If you're a one-time organization that wants to get stuff done for 1 particular cause, especially one where you hope you can raise a TON of money, then you'll do what you can with the money that you make, and specifically planning what to do with it and letting people know, will surely backfire if you don't actually keep to those guidelines you showed the donators.

so what you're saying is that they should keep the money they make and what they do with it private so they don't disappoint donators.
that is the worst decision any business could make. it's almost lying.

Obviously part of the money is going towards what goes inside the kits and paying people who have created the movement in the first place. The rest of the money we're assuming is going to go to military operations and then setting up safe havens for children, medical treatment, etc. I have no reason to believe that money I would spend on a kit would go anywhere else but towards helping out the situation in Uganda. The question, choofers, is not why you should trust invisiblechildren, but why you shouldn't. Is there a past history of this organization pocketing money? Are they being overly secretive with what their plans are?

PROTIP: THEY SPENT $16,000 ON THEIR OWN ENTERTAINMENT. $16,000.

Another question: if your 30$ or whatever it is (I haven't bought anything yet but I will) DOES just go to line the pockets of the creators of invisiblechildren, what are you out? Only 30$.

and what are they in? only 8 million? pfff, no big deal. just 8mill.

And if for some odd reason, this charity group is *gasp*, doing what it's say they're going to do, you've just helped an entire country.The cost/benefit ratio is just so wide, I don't see how you can condone the Kony 2012 movement if you care about the situation at all.

maybe because i want to do something that actually gets shit done instead of saying MOM CAN I SEE YOUR DEBIT CARD I WANNA SPEND $30 ON THIS BOX AND THEN SAY I HELPED. I HELPED. I'M HELPING MOM.

Another thing, this situation is not 'just another terrorist' because it is kids that are in this army.

KIDS MAKE THE SITUATION 100X MORE DIRE. LIFE HOLDS MORE VALUE IF YOU ARE BELOW THE AGE OF 10. YEP. I appreciate that it's horrible what he's doing, but life holds equal meaning regardless of age.

Secondly, because this army is full of kids who don't choose to be in it, you are far less likely to have it get remade, or for the kids to regroup, once the leader(s) of it are captured. If you're concerned that simply capturing Kony won't do anything, the #2 person on the list was also Ugandan, probably a second in command. I find it hard to believe they wouldn't go after all the leaders of this atrocious army at once.

has it ever occurred to you that disbanding the army isn't the goal so much as it is making sure the dude who had this idea in the first place is taken away.
has it also occurred to you that, where Kony to be found and his home(s) raided, these warrior-children would be killed on sight by the forces? no matter what happens, these kids are d-e-a-d.

But regardless that, you know, al-qaeda is actually wrong and should be stamped out, that is a separate issue from this terrorist situation. To think that just because you can't fix anything with the world, that you shouldn't try and fix 1 thing, is pretty defeatist. Why don't you just kill yourself now, you're going to die sometime anyways.

shut up.

Oh, and if you think that should be doing something else to stop Kony, why don't you go out and do it? Oh, is that because you would need not only yourself but a well-funded, lawful, focussed organization to get the job done? Isn't that exactly what this movement is creating??

that's not what it's creating. it's creating a job for a bunch of people who saw an opportunity to capitalize on the eagerness of society to latch onto a cause to abolish their white guilt or whatever. there are plenty of things the everyday person can do to help with this that don't involve giving some asshat $30 because they had a good idea to make a quick buck.

Y'ALL NIGAHS DUMB

[Spenner]

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A lot of Nazis would show their faces.

[t-rogdor]

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2a

[t-rogdor]

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as long as the holocaust movement doesnt stop the dorito taco's i'm pretty sure it'd work out

Doritos Taco 2012 - It Can't Be Stopped. For just $20 I'll send you a box full of taco activism tools (a cool bracelet, a shirt with cannibal corpse album art and "FREE TACOS" on it in 57pt Curlz MT font, and a pair of jorts) so you can make sure everyone knows about tacos. Free the tacos. Save the tacos. Be the taco.

[Syhto]

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why dont they just send someone in to assassinate the dude, the corruption is so bad through most of africa anyway and everyone turns a blind eye. money isn't really the issue here as far as I can tell. movements do help peoples awareness but i don't think the donation is necessary as much as a total revolution is.

[Cavernio]

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"My question is now that technology has evolved, why are people still being scammed into donating to his movement?"
Why do ffrers get scammed into buying tshirts?

We live in a capitalist society where we need money to live. If you want to devote your life to activism, why should you have to struggle between holding down a job and your activism?

[Syhto]

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ok to elaborate there is a lot of corruption, saying buying an action kit is the "right" thing to do is kind of retarded. there's no one right thing to do, there is so much fear mongering there, it is a total power struggle and people can't live out their lives in any relative peace. our ~money~ can only do so much. things like this all over the world need to be addressed in an actual approachable way... but yea it is good to care and spread the word. also saying how is he different from any other terrorist is pointless, because it all has to stop. seriously. just because the thing asked you to send money and youre broke doesn't mean you have to convince yourself it isn't worth caring about or donating to, it's more of a principal thing and humanity needs to take a strong stance to stop that kind destructive rebel shit. it should have gone away a long time ago but it's so deeply ingrained all people can do is argue over what will work and wont work, will someone Plz try something new
& yea that does mean something besides sending money

[flipsta_lombax]

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Those numbers suggest that they don't use the money for what purposes are stated. They also point out how the armies IC is literally funding rape and steal from people. So yeah. They're "a fallacy".

ye aight

32% of their total profits. 2.8 million dollars might be 2.8 million dollars, but it's nothing compared to the ~8 million that COULD have gone to actually doing something. While I appreciate the funds to make a movie and raise awareness, again I must stress that 1) They could've made a much lower budget film, 2) this movie won't accomplish jack shit, and 3) THEY SPENT 16 THOUSAND DOLLARS ON "ENTERTAINMENT". COMPANY MONEY ON THEIR OWN JOY.

They could have lowered the budget I agree, but aight.

lol you took the taco bell thing seriously.
something isn't better than nothing if that something goes to funding the wrong purposes. Advocating isn't bad; activism is great. BUT not when it's at the hands and purposes of a greedy bullshit company masquerading as a charity.

did not take it seriously.

And you bring a valid point, but as soon as this gets validated and they are bullshit, I'll stick with advocating for the right reasons.

In my eyes, helping the good cause is the right thing to do. I'll let karma take care of the company's fate. But I've done nothing wrong here. My $30, which means nothing to me right now, is intended for the cause, regardless of of the company. Me putting in more money would be ludicrous.

wishing harm on your fellow man. A+ Activism talk!

it all depends how you interpret when is said "Then again". I never intended harm. Read it. I hope you don't catch E. Coli, but if you'd care about that more than this, yada yada yada fuccen yada.

[robertsona]

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HOW DID THIS GET SO BIG SO FAST

like i don't have an opinion on it and i won't watch the video because it's too long and i don't care but like oh my god this spread SO FAST like way faster than i've ever seen anything else on the internet spread

note to self: must not spread anti-"slacktivism" hatred in this thread

but needless to say some kids i know seem to be getting a little self-satisfied with how much of a difference theyre making....

[rushyrulz]

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can't wait til april 21st

[DarkManticoreX2]

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The whole money debate can stop. It was a part of the video, an option for people to take to show support, but it was not the purpose of the video.

The purpose of the video is to make Kony infamous, to get the word about him out to an ignorant US population who largely doesn't know who this man is. Untill yesterday night, I had never heard of the guy.

Once the word is out, we can pressure our senators/congressman/government into doing something about it. The truth is, our government wouldn't touch the situation with a 10 foot pole untill enough US citizens with a loud enough voice started to get heard.

The second truth is that if "We the People" stop taking about it, or forget it, the US goverment will go back to not caring and will pull their already small support staff out of the country.

[i love you]

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DarkManticore outta nowhere o.o

But yeah, I agree with him on the debate thing

[WolfXhunter]

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DarkManticore outta nowhere o.o

That

[Hazelle]

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Choof and trog don't bring up any good points; they bring up points of laziness and distrust and worry that the group's incompetent. Essentially their point is 'why bother?'
How many people who are against this have actually watched the video in full?

ETC

What I meant was, that you don't have to spend money if you don't want to. The least they could do is show the video around. What I don't agree with though, is that it's "just another terrorist, etc.". But the point about spending money, I agree with. Sorry guys, but I'm not compelled enough to buy an action kit. :l

[Choofers]

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So I gave my thoughts and people started shitting on me because I don't think that a donation to some awareness movement will do anything.

Great.

And yeah, I'll be buying dorito tacos tomorrow.

What I meant was, that you don't have to spend money if you don't want to. The least they could do is show the video around. What I don't agree with though, is that it's "just another terrorist, etc.". But the point about spending money, I agree with. Sorry guys, but I'm not compelled enough to buy an action kit. :l

This. It's pretty easy to post the vid on facebook (which a lot of people are doing) and then never talk about it again (which a lot of people are doing).