KONY 2012

[Hazelle]

Re: KONY 2012

I didn't plan on buying anything and I've thought it over and I guess you guys bring up a good point (Choof and t-rog, etc) . I don't know, at least spread the vid around. /shrugs. Doesn't hurt.

[wildfireskunk]

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https://www.visiblechildren.tumblr.com/

Worth a look at if its not already been posted.

[t-rogdor]

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[Insert terrorists name here] 20_ _ : Stop at Nothing

I didn't plan on buying anything and I've thought it over and I guess you guys bring up a good point (Choof and t-rog, etc) . I don't know, at least spread the vid around. /shrugs. Doesn't hurt.

if you would like to raise awareness, then yes, posting the video around is a better choice. A+

[j-rodd123]

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i didnt watch it but isnt this guy not even in uganda anymore and close to dying, thats what i remember hearing years ago anyway......he did atrocious things of course but why is this video so many years late wtf

[Cavernio]

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Choof and trog don't bring up any good points; they bring up points of laziness and distrust and worry that the group's incompetent. Essentially their point is 'why bother?'
How many people who are against this have actually watched the video in full?


Because the video clearly shows (perhaps erroneously, although I don't know how/why that would be the case, but there are clearly a bunch of skeptics) that when people actually worked together en masse towards getting the US government to do something, they did something. It's no longer 'we hope world leaders will do something', it's 'we need more time to get this done, and we need to keep the pressure on the world leaders'. The message is loud and clear. Much like how SOPA and bill C32 have been put on hold due to public outcry, your opinion, and letting your opinion be known, matters.

Furthermore, again as the video states, world governments have done nothing because they've had no immediate reason to. If your job is to run YOUR country as best as you can, as we see, it often becomes we vs they, and whatever shit that goes on in uganda is of no consequence, especially in light of all the shit that is likely going on in your country that you need to address. But if the people in your country are appalled and want to actually do something, who are you, as that country's leader, to say no?

It is unfortunate they don't explain where the money's going, choofers, but it's not like this is something like the Heart and Stroke foundation that works on an on-going basis, has been around for years, and knows how much money they'll probably get, so it's fairly easy to give break-downs of where the money's going. If you're a one-time organization that wants to get stuff done for 1 particular cause, especially one where you hope you can raise a TON of money, then you'll do what you can with the money that you make, and specifically planning what to do with it and letting people know, will surely backfire if you don't actually keep to those guidelines you showed the donators.

Obviously part of the money is going towards what goes inside the kits and paying people who have created the movement in the first place. The rest of the money we're assuming is going to go to military operations and then setting up safe havens for children, medical treatment, etc.

I have no reason to believe that money I would spend on a kit would go anywhere else but towards helping out the situation in Uganda. The question, choofers, is not why you should trust invisiblechildren, but why you shouldn't. Is there a past history of this organization pocketing money? Are they being overly secretive with what their plans are?
Another question: if your 30$ or whatever it is (I haven't bought anything yet but I will) DOES just go to line the pockets of the creators of invisiblechildren, what are you out? Only 30$. And if for some odd reason, this charity group is *gasp*, doing what it's say they're going to do, you've just helped an entire country. The cost/benefit ratio is just so wide, I don't see how you can condone the Kony 2012 movement if you care about the situation at all.

Another thing, this situation is not 'just another terrorist' because it is kids that are in this army. This army is not a group of people with different values from us; they're a group of people who are children who don't have a chance to find their own values, whose values are now 'kill and maim'. In most cases of terrorists, armies, etc, people have a lot more of a choice to be in them. Even an adult forced into an army is autonomous enough to say 'no, I'd rather you kill me first'. A child isn't. Lots of terrorists or freedom fighters or whatever you want to call them, it's not always so clearly obvious that what they're doing is wrong.
Secondly, because this army is full of kids who don't choose to be in it, you are far less likely to have it get remade, or for the kids to regroup, once the leader(s) of it are captured. If you're concerned that simply capturing Kony won't do anything, the #2 person on the list was also Ugandan, probably a second in command. I find it hard to believe they wouldn't go after all the leaders of this atrocious army at once.

But regardless that, you know, al-qaeda is actually wrong and should be stamped out, that is a separate issue from this terrorist situation. To think that just because you can't fix anything with the world, that you shouldn't try and fix 1 thing, is pretty defeatist. Why don't you just kill yourself now, you're going to die sometime anyways.
Furthermore, because this is clearly largely funded by individuals across the globe, it's not like we're telling the government to not protect us or something while you send troops to Uganda...there's only the smallest amount of competing resources.

And although this next argument is a terrible one, where do you think 30$ in tax money goes towards? It's what, half the cost of a weekly whining and dining meal for your local government representative?? If you really care THAT much about 30$, go even further with the statement and don't pay 30$ in taxes for 2012. The IRS doesn't give a damn about 30$ of unpaid taxes.

Oh, and if you think that should be doing something else to stop Kony, why don't you go out and do it? Oh, is that because you would need not only yourself but a well-funded, lawful, focussed organization to get the job done? Isn't that exactly what this movement is creating??

[phe0nixblade]

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You people need to do your research before you all jump on something just because you think it's doing the right thing.

http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/post/18890947431/we-got-trouble

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/136673/mareike-schomerus-tim-allen-and-koen-vlassenroot/obama-takes-on-the-lra?page=show

http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qk0pd/kony_2012_help_raise_awareness_and_stop_joseph/c3ycvhb

"Last year, the organization spent $8,676,614. Only 32% went to direct services."

"Both the Ugandan army and Sudan People’s Liberation Army are riddled with accusations of rape and looting, but Invisible Children defends them, arguing that the Ugandan army is “better equipped than that of any of the other affected countries”, although Kony is no longer active in Uganda and hasn’t been since 2006 by their own admission. "

"Of the $8.9 million you spent in 2011:
$1.7 million in US employee salaries
$357,000 in Film costs
$850,000 in Production costs
$244,000 in "professional services" (DC lobbyists)
$1.07 million in travel expenses
$400,000 in office rent in San Diego
$16,000 in Entertainment"

[phe0nixblade]

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etc etc aka choofers wrecked you all

[wildfireskunk]

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And another "know the whole story before plunging in" link.

https://www.justiceinconflict.org/2012/03/07/taking-kony-2012-down-a-notch/

Not saying its an awful thing, but the more you know!

[Plan_Bsk81127]

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^

This is where my $30 is going

[phe0nixblade]

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besides all of that, the campaign to post shit up on 4/20 is definitely a no for me even if they were actually using most of the money to help out uganda because i'll be too high to even open my god damn door
edit: I lied, i'll be too high to open the door at the concert i'll be at

[A2P]

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You people need to do your research before you all jump on something just because you think it's doing the right thing.

http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/post/18890947431/we-got-trouble

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/136673/mareike-schomerus-tim-allen-and-koen-vlassenroot/obama-takes-on-the-lra?page=show

http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qk0pd/kony_2012_help_raise_awareness_and_stop_joseph/c3ycvhb

"Last year, the organization spent $8,676,614. Only 32% went to direct services."

"Both the Ugandan army and Sudan People’s Liberation Army are riddled with accusations of rape and looting, but Invisible Children defends them, arguing that the Ugandan army is “better equipped than that of any of the other affected countries”, although Kony is no longer active in Uganda and hasn’t been since 2006 by their own admission. "

"Of the $8.9 million you spent in 2011:
$1.7 million in US employee salaries
$357,000 in Film costs
$850,000 in Production costs
$244,000 in "professional services" (DC lobbyists)
$1.07 million in travel expenses
$400,000 in office rent in San Diego
$16,000 in Entertainment"

phe0nixblade's only good post ever

[phe0nixblade]

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hater

[Aldentron]

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lol, always be wary of sheisty charity groups. i saw this getting blown up on facebook last night and could tell it was full of shit just by the type of people supporting it; suckers.

White Man's Burden indeed.

[Mau5]

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Grateful to live in America haha, but regardless if they stop Kony though they'll probably just find another leader unfortunately :[ Hoping for the best at least

[t-rogdor]

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hahaha, exactly. whole deal's bullshit. Have fun putting money into a stupid pseudo-charity to get rid of your White Guilt