KONY 2012

[Aldentron]

Re: KONY 2012

folks, activism and money don't belong together. you don't need to donate ANY money to raise awareness, and if you do, there's probably a lobbyist or some one on the top of the ladder getting that money.

[-Fallen-]

Re: KONY 2012

Thank you for this, I copy pasted it all over Facebook.

You people need to do your research before you all jump on something just because you think it's doing the right thing.

http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/post/18890947431/we-got-trouble

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/136673/mareike-schomerus-tim-allen-and-koen-vlassenroot/obama-takes-on-the-lra?page=show

http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qk0pd/kony_2012_help_raise_awareness_and_stop_joseph/c3ycvhb

"Last year, the organization spent $8,676,614. Only 32% went to direct services."

"Both the Ugandan army and Sudan People’s Liberation Army are riddled with accusations of rape and looting, but Invisible Children defends them, arguing that the Ugandan army is “better equipped than that of any of the other affected countries”, although Kony is no longer active in Uganda and hasn’t been since 2006 by their own admission. "

"Of the $8.9 million you spent in 2011:
$1.7 million in US employee salaries
$357,000 in Film costs
$850,000 in Production costs
$244,000 in "professional services" (DC lobbyists)
$1.07 million in travel expenses
$400,000 in office rent in San Diego
$16,000 in Entertainment"

folks, activism and money don't belong together. you don't need to donate ANY money to raise awareness, and if you do, there's probably a lobbyist or some one on the top of the ladder getting that money.

^ This. Money isn't necessary to raise awareness especially with how everything on the internet spreads like a virus. If the money were going to funding a mercenary group to hunt and track the guy down, then I'd be up for contributing.


edit: A point was brought up to me that the guy who originally began this "movement" nearly 10 years ago didn't have the means to raise awareness because the internet and such has evolved so much in the last decade, that's fair. My question is now that technology has evolved, why are people still being scammed into donating to his movement? Buy a shirt, every dollar helps? How does that make us closer to catching him when none of the money is actually being contributed to his capture? This guy has been making millions every year for the last decade "raising awareness" and from what I read, "we" are no closer to capturing him.

[flipsta_lombax]

Re: KONY 2012

i think the only most of you are contributing to this, is because you're too lazy to get off your ass and do something for this world, so you just purchase this "action kit" as an excuse.

cool vid tho lol

yooo homeboy, you sound like you've done just as much for the world. Share it here and so people can advocate what you do

@links, numbers posted etc etc: I read the links. I expected at least one of them to tell me IC is a fluke, a fake propaganda, fallacy, NOT legit. All I read was skepticism and numbers accused of telling another story.

32% may sound small, but $2.8 mill is $2.8 mill, and it was the main chunk of their spending. No one paid them to reach lobbyists, no one paid them to grab a plane ticket to Uganda to show their support. They didn't want a half-ass movie to catch the eyes of the world.

I read in that tumble link saying "Something isn't always better than nothing. Sometimes it's worse." What a load of bullshit. Let me know when advocating something we believe is right is worse. Like being too lazy sitting on our ass, waiting for the Taco Bell/Doritos chip to come out. Fat asses.

I hope you guys don't catch E.Coli from those Taco Bell Dorito chips. Then again...

[phe0nixblade]

Re: KONY 2012

Like being too lazy sitting on our ass, waiting for the Taco Bell/Doritos chip to come out. Fat asses.

I hope you guys don't catch E.Coli from those Taco Bell Dorito chips. Then again...

I don't like taco's.
checkmate

[Aldentron]

Re: KONY 2012

what exactly is inside the "action kit?"

[SKG_Scintill]

Re: KONY 2012

inb4konyisahoax

[phe0nixblade]

Re: KONY 2012

what exactly is inside the "action kit?"

a bracelet, stickers, posters, etc for you to put up for people see "kony 2012" everywhere

[Mau5]

Re: KONY 2012

Welcome to Hypocrite Hypocrite Revolution

[flipsta_lombax]

Re: KONY 2012

I don't like taco's.
checkmate

touche

[midnghtraver]

Re: KONY 2012

My best friend went to Kenya last summer and his family got a kid from Uganda for a month before he left, and this stuff is still going on. Just because kony is more out of the picture doesn't mean that he doest have a ton of people on his side.

[Cavernio]

Re: KONY 2012

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/136673/mareike-schomerus-tim-allen-and-koen-vlassenroot/obama-takes-on-the-lra?page=show

-This link quite simply says that there is a dire need for MORE intervention and resources in this part of Africa
-Death tolls in this region of Africa due to conflict are staggering (in the millions)
-Religious leaders in the region apparently oppose US forces.
This article really doesn't address Kony 2012.

http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qk0pd/kony_2012_help_raise_awareness_and_stop_joseph/c3ycvhb

-Is not counter Kony2012 in the least, as it seems to be info directly from invisiblechildren
-The first comment re the financial spending on the organization doesn't seem to understand its own link, especially seen by the fact that they assume 'Goods and Services' is money for their program, which is also unfortunately who phoenix posted about.
If you actually go into the report mario is talking about, you see that there are 2 columns, one for program and one for general and management. Just for example, that 1.7 in transportation would include any transportation of goods and people involved in the program. If they shipped over food (I have no idea if they shipped over food or not), that would likely be under the Program column, in the Transportation row.

And secondly, the report Mario links is from June 2011. The report linked in the article, although undated, talks about events of nov 2011 in the past, so we can assume it is in regards to likely a Jan. 01-Dec. 31 fiscal year...not even the same time frame.

http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/post/18890947431/we-got-trouble

Again uses the info that phoenix posted, which is, once again, simply some idiot not understanding how to read a table.
-Opinion based and fearful that getting rid of one problem is somehow bad because there are multiple problems in the region. They also use quotes from profs like this "There’s also something inherently misleading, naive, maybe even dangerous, about the idea of rescuing children..." This guy clearly knows what he's talking about.
-are worried that the Ugandan army isn't ethical

http://justiceinconflict.org/2012/03/07/taking-kony-2012-down-a-notch/

Ugh, this is my least favorite article. The fact that locals support amnesty programs with the LRA doesn't mean they want the LRA to exist. The fact that local, legal authorities are corrupt is, again, pretty much separate from the LRA. Bitching that Kony 2012 isn't 'good enough' is hardly a good reason to not support it.

Overall, I find all these articles which don't like the idea of Kony 2012, highly worried about the stability of that region of Africa. They're all very concerned that we won't be able to solve all the political issues in a large region. However, all of them say Kony is evil and the LRA is bad, even if they don't like the idea of Kony 2012.

They're all like...well, you can't solve anything unless you make stability, but you can't **** it up, but we have to do something about it anyways, but doing something about it is sticking your nose into someone else's business, but we don't have a solution to that so you shouldn't stop the clear evil that exists in the region, but we shouldn't leave the region alone because it's clearly wrong. too...

You know what I like about kony 2012? It is simple. It clearly aligns with everyone's morals (except kony's), and is all for moving in, taking him out/down, and that's it. It is not mired in all the BS that people against it are bringing into it, it really isn't. No one is stealing resources from another good project to solve the shit in the region, because that project doesn't exist. A group of people started a movement and because it's not THE solution to life, the universe and everything, people are against it.

The LRA is not holding some precious balance in the region together so that dismantling it will result in the region falling into further bloodshed.

[Cavernio]

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GG posting pheonix's link. What he copied is wrong.

[phe0nixblade]

Re: KONY 2012

i dont even really feel like reading anything you posted cause i really didnt wanna get into a big ol' debate about this thing so i'll just say sure and move on and keep browsing and posting about 4/20 and dorito taco's

[Cavernio]

Re: KONY 2012

I wonder what people would say against a 'Stop the Holocaust' movement if ww2 were to happen in present times.

[phe0nixblade]

Re: KONY 2012

as long as the holocaust movement doesnt stop the dorito taco's i'm pretty sure it'd work out