Need some opinions

[Coolboyrulez0]

Re: Need some opinions

lol ts

also nope, don't remove them -- just because someone is having a fit doesn't mean they have that authority.

IMO (this is yet to be determined) once you submit a file, and it goes through processing and into the game you lose all rights of property to the file

obviously if there is something wrong with the file you have plenty of time to fix it before it goes into the game or even have the right to take it out of the queue
but this is simply isnt the case here its just someone being butt-mad and trying to damage the game / affect the playerbase for reasons unbeknownst to me.

are we gonna put up with shit like that? nope.

Edit: if the person wishes to not associate with ffr anymore thats fine, as someone suggested he can have his name taking off / identity changed etc. but the files remain property of ffr.

[Hakulyte]

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It should be done right now in time, but you should eventually come up with guidelines in the submission thread to explain what's an acceptable reason to remove a file etc. to avoid abuse.

I don't think this is something that public opinion should sway. The admins need to determine whether or not a file becomes intellectual property of the site once it is submitted and accepted.

If the answer is yes, it becomes site property, leave the files in game. If no, remove them. Yes, it will affect ranks, but the simfiler still has ownership. He should be able to do as he pleases.

It's really that simple.

Combine ideas.
Profit?

[Plan_Bsk81127]

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Yeah it's nothing about FFR/TS he's always complained about his files and how people viewed them. After he said that he was going to have his files removed from FFR I was like well then I guess I can ask for mine to be removed from TS and he said "no it doesn't work that way."

Smart words by him, he pretty much just blew his chance with having his charts being removed by saying this. GG, sounds like a response a TS tard would make.

[Coolboyrulez0]

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Direct this argument towards me now because I disagree with you oops.

woW MagGie I disAgreE wiTH u I h9 u Go Die in A fiyer u nerd (giggle)

[trumaestro]

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The difficulty comes from the fact that there is nothing in the batch thread or really anywhere else that -explicitly- states whether files you send in become property of this site. If a stepartist is asking for files they made to be removed, whose work is being removed? Is it the site or the artist? If it was the site, I think we would have the right to keep them in. On the other hand, I don't think we would (or should) have the right to keep them if the files are still property of the stepartist.

[Nullifidian]

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I don't agree with removing the files. Once submitted and released, they're part of FFR's property and it's at FFR's discretion what to do with the files (unless there's legal obligations that say otherwise). Simfile artists sign their right on the file off to FFR once they submit it and the file is released, much like how a musician signs of rights to their music to a label, or an artist signs of rights to their pieces to a publisher. It's part of the agreement you accept before you send something in. An agreement is like a contract, you can't simply do what you want after you agreed to it.

(that is, if FFR has such an agreement, because otherwise FFR has no legal standpoint)

[Zageron]

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You know that by submitting a file to FFR you 'technically' give up the right to distribute that file anywhere else? That's how the rule has always been. Simfile artists have no right to have their files taken off FFR.

Music artists are, of course, a completely different story.

[psychoangel691]

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The difficulty comes from the fact that there is nothing in the batch thread or really anywhere else that -explicitly- states whether files you send in become property of this site. If a stepartist is asking for files they made to be removed, whose work is being removed? Is it the site or the artist? If it was the site, I think we would have the right to keep them in. On the other hand, I don't think we would (or should) have the right to keep them if the files are still property of the stepartist.

That's what makes it a grey area and definitely needs to be clearly stated now. What's bothering me more about it is that one person is basically like "welp I don't really care if this affects however many active members there are right now." It'll impact ranks and take away lower level content which really sucks.

[trumaestro]

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You know that by submitting a file to FFR you 'technically' give up the right to distribute that file anywhere else? That's how the rule has always been. Simfile artists have no right to have their files taken off FFR.

And why not? Where does it say that?

[Charu]

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The arguments going on in this thread are... interesting.

The way I see it, if you're removing content from FFR because you as an artist don't like it and or the general consensus of the community doesn't like it, it's really silly. It's like how I see people remove all their artwork on some art sites.

It's really a pet peeve of mine when I see this happen. BUT... people have their reasons and so forth and so forth.

I will not mind if this happens, however I don't think it should happen.

Totally am posting in school by the way... dohoho...

[psychoangel691]

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I actually think this is a really good argument and that people have a lot of good points on both ends. Really no reason to kill it off while this is actually still getting good contribution.

[Zageron]

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Legacy files are staying. Let's stop about them now.

In fact, the files are staying regardless. I already spoke about this with a number of staff members, and we all agree that they files will NOT be removed on the whim of the creator.

[foxfire667]

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You know that by submitting a file to FFR you 'technically' give up the right to distribute that file anywhere else? That's how the rule has always been. Simfile artists have no right to have their files taken off FFR.

If this is the case, it must be placed somewhere for everyone to plainly see. They still technically are the right holders of their step file unless you forewarn them that submitting to FFR means otherwise.

I am not exactly a frequent FFR submitter or a stepfile artist by any means, but I could not find this rule in the Queue / Batch discussion thread, which seems to lay down all the current rules for FFR submissions and judging. If there is another thread I missed where this rule of relinquishing rights is visible to users, could you please link it to me? If no link exists, the rule might as well not exist copyright wise, because the users had no way of researching it before hand. Please post this rule somewhere for all users to see so this sort of thing can never need to be debated about again.

[Zageron]

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As long as I can remember, that has been the rule.

[psychoangel691]

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There's actually a lot of grey areas with the simfile submissions I think that we need to clear up. Like at one point it was stated that things previously released could not be submitted for FFR such as the files that were on DF or that are in SM, but they've been getting accepted in the batch anyway. I think that we should put in something clear about the removal of files only being reserved to like song author and idk extreme circumstances I guess like if it converts completely wrong or somehow gets altered from how it was intended.