Need some opinions

[Hakulyte]

Re: Need some opinions

Hey guys remove all my files plz

They are bad and people hate them










jk no thats a selfish dick thing to ask for

You mean swap st.scarhand unlock for my worse file in my list so people don't rage about missing a cool file~

[psychoangel691]

Re: Need some opinions

I think a lot of people are misunderstanding the point of this thread. Might just be time for a lock now.

[trumaestro]

Re: Need some opinions

We can't just be like okay this person can do it because the file is old but this person can't. It has to be either they can or can't. Either files are esentially property of the FFR game once sent in or they're not. I also don't know why people keep going back to legacy files, this had nothing to do with legacy nor does the person have any legacy files x.x



Most of the users that have been here a while are pretty sure that there was in fact a rule previously that may have been left out of the new thread. Once the site returned a lot of things were a bit screwy in a lot of ways.

Remove the files as requested, then implement rules now that say whether or not or under what circumstances files can be removed. Files released before the new rules were implemented can probably be dealt with on a case-by-case basis.

As for rules from a long time ago, if there were any, they weren't in the most logical place: the OP of the batch discussion thread from back then. Proof: http://web.archive.org/web/200804120...ad.php?t=58177

Having to dig through that thread for a random post by tass or the like isn't good enough imo. It needs to have been readily visible.

[psychoangel691]

Re: Need some opinions

Remove the files as requested, then implement rules now that say whether or not or under what circumstances files can be removed. Files released before the new rules were implemented can probably be dealt with on a case-by-case basis.

As for rules from a long time ago, if there were any, they weren't in the most logical place: the OP of the batch discussion thread from back then. Proof: http://web.archive.org/web/200804120...ad.php?t=58177

Having to dig through that thread for a random post by tass or the like isn't good enough imo. It needs to have been readily visible.

That thread has been edited and updated tons of times and it may not have even been in that particular thread. I'm not the one that's going to be removing anything I just though it ridiculous that someone would go ahead and rip out 22 files (or close to). I personally don't think that's something that's okay nor should it be okay.

[Wayward Vagabond]

Re: Need some opinions

imo it would depend on the files but for the most part i say maybe

[Pseudo Enigma]

Re: Need some opinions

take a vote D:

[trumaestro]

Re: Need some opinions

That thread has been edited and updated tons of times and it may not have even been in that particular thread. I'm not the one that's going to be removing anything I just though it ridiculous that someone would go ahead and rip out 22 files (or close to). I personally don't think that's something that's okay nor should it be okay.

Then you need grounds to say no. Files shouldn't/can't be declared property of FFR without explicitly giving notice to the step artist before they submit. Because there wasn't/isn't a policy in place regarding this, there is no good reason to not remove these files.

[Plan_Bsk81127]

Re: Need some opinions

We may not be obligated, but is that the right thing to do? Simply removing it would harvest a better relationship with that artist and others, as well as avoid any drama that not removing it could create.

Whatever is ultimately decided, the rules for adding and removing either stepfiles or music should be similar if not the same.

Who cares about having a relationship with this step artist. This person is no longer associated with the community and site, so Im sure everyone could careless about what he thinks as long as the charts stay in game like they should. This is a selfish act to want them removed and should deserve no respect or having a "better relationship" with him. Just keep the files and let him have his little bitch fit over on that piece of shit site TS he worships.

ihmo I say let them get ripped out, it's for quality over all. As long as one is asking for their older files to get taken out anyway. This goes for everyone.

We need to do an overhaul of all the old files anyway.

Ok, lets just rip out 70% of FFR because tbh thats the amount of charts in this game that are poor quality anyway. I mean if we are shooting for quality files, might as well take out all of the bad ones and 70% of FFR seems like a fair number.

[d4u7211]

Re: Need some opinions

omfg okay bitches heres how it goes down

when you put files in the game, you aren't the boss, the site is, and all the people moderating it. If you don't want your shit to stay plastered on a website, you dont upload it, simple enough. If you wanted it in a site that does so much work to get the file in the game, you should know that youre pretty much allowing the file to be coproduced, which then means the file had work done on it by the site mods, judges, etc as well as you. IT IS NO LONGER FULLY YOUR PRODUCTION and therefore is not solely your "property." fucking shit its kinda simple.

btw haku, sorry but that N64 wasnt good. this isnt a parent/child relationship. its a grown person to grown person sort of analogy, if you will, in which one person gives another person a prototype, and the other expands off of it. the work and rights are shared.

edit: sorry haku didnt mean to single you out lol, i just realized there were way more pages when i posted this, and plenty of other people i disagree with >.>

[Wayward Vagabond]

Re: Need some opinions

except no judge is even allowed to make adjustments to a file without explicit permission from the step artist. so yeah the file is still the property of the stepartist until either tass' post can be found where he says that ffr owns your shit when its accepted or a new rule is implemented.

[d4u7211]

Re: Need some opinions

meh i just like arguing

all im saying is that acceptance of a file in ffr is a process, and it takes a group of people to get it into the game. we cant just ignore that work, otherwise ffr would have 50000 files in it and nearly all of them would blow asshole

[Wayward Vagabond]

Re: Need some opinions

think of ffr as a giant free compilation album of stepfiles

[trumaestro]

Re: Need some opinions

Who cares about having a relationship with this step artist. This person is no longer associated with the community and site, so Im sure everyone could careless about what he thinks as long as the charts stay in game like they should. This is a selfish act to want them removed and should deserve no respect or having a "better relationship" with him. Just keep the files and let him have his little bitch fit over on that piece of shit site TS he worships.

I was more referring to musicians than to step artists, though the analogy stands. It's selfish but there is currently no reason to refuse.

when you put files in the game, you aren't the boss, the site is, and all the people moderating it. If you don't want your shit to stay plastered on a website, you dont upload it, simple enough. If you wanted it in a site that does so much work to get the file in the game, you should know that youre pretty much allowing the file to be coproduced, which then means the file had work done on it by the site mods, judges, etc as well as you. IT IS NO LONGER FULLY YOUR PRODUCTION and therefore is not solely your "property." fucking shit its kinda simple.

I disagree and go back to my museum idea. FFR is just another medium for showcasing stepfiles. Every file in FFR could just as easily have been released for SM. I'm not discounting all the work the judges and admins do for the step artists, but in this context it is essentially meaningless.

Just because the painting is in a new frame doesn't mean that someone else can add their name to it.

[d4u7211]

Re: Need some opinions

I get what youre saying, but when you usually donate to a museum, its a gift. I guess if you said it was your property, sure, you can get it taken down

bottom line it doesnt mean you arent a dick if you try to take your "art" down because you think its bad. Some people might find that to be really conceited if others thought that "art" was better than most.

[psychoangel691]

Re: Need some opinions

I was more referring to musicians than to step artists, though the analogy stands. It's selfish but there is currently no reason to refuse.



I disagree and go back to my museum idea. FFR is just another medium for showcasing stepfiles. Every file in FFR could just as easily have been released for SM. I'm not discounting all the work the judges and admins do for the step artists, but in this context it is essentially meaningless.

Just because the painting is in a new frame doesn't mean that someone else can add their name to it.

On the relationship standpoint when it comes to music artist or stepartist it's kinda like yeah you can oblige but then you're pissing off a whole (or a good majority) of the community vs one person. I just feel like this affects a lot of people and that's unfair just because he doesn't want to be associated with the files anymore.

I kinda don't really feel the museum thing is quite the same because this is a game that you are providing content for. It has stats and things tied to these songs it's just just something on display. Plus aren't most things in museums bought by them or donated? I think you might be thinking more along the lines of a gallery but then again I don't really look much into those things.