Homosexuality.

[poulice]

Re: Homosexuality.

im gay and trust me, you cant turn me straight, people who think you can turn straight are retarted and the ones who claim to be transformed are lying.

I agree with this 100% because i also did a substantial amount of research and i found that many of the religious site (not trying to say anything bad about the church) are led by so called ex-gays. I think what pushes people the most to attempt changing their orientation is the lack of self acceptance. Most of the ex-gay people who claim to be happy try to change others by convincing them to follow them. Although I cannot agree with them doing it, I totally support their right to do it. If people accepted themselves, they wouldn't attempt to change. Most people who try do not succeed. I heard stories of how trying to change when wrong. I just know no one will change me from gay to straight . I`m gay and always will be.

I apologize in advance for any potential spelling and/or grammar mistakes.

[stev019]

Re: Homosexuality.

I agree with this 100% because i also did a substantial amount of research and i found that many of the religious site (not trying to say anything bad about the church) are led by so called ex-gays. I think what pushes people the most to attempt changing their orientation is the lack of self acceptance. Most of the ex-gay people who claim to be happy try to change others by convincing them to follow them. Although I cannot agree with them doing it, I totally support their right to do it. If people accepted themselves, they wouldn't attempt to change. Most people who try do not succeed. I heard stories of how trying to change when wrong. I just know no one will change me from gay to straight . I`m gay and always will be.

I apologize in advance for any potential spelling and/or grammar mistakes.

Spoke my mind. Thank you. And for Devonin, I'm new to forums and I realize what I did was... unintelligent. Sorry. And also. If you meant bi is 50/50 attraction in each case... you are mistaken. Almost all of my friends are bisexual and most prefer one gender over the other.

[devonin]

Re: Homosexuality.

Spoke my mind. Thank you. And for Devonin, I'm new to forums and I realize what I did was... unintelligent. Sorry. And also. If you meant bi is 50/50 attraction in each case... you are mistaken. Almost all of my friends are bisexual and most prefer one gender over the other.

That was precisely my point. The -only- way you can apply a concrete objective definition to hetero- homo- and bi-sexuality is to apply them to the extreme cases, namely 100% attracted to the opposite gender, 100% attracted to the same gender, and precisely 50/50 split between the two.

Since I have never once met a person who fit that exactly into any of those, trying to say that you have to go "from gay" "to bi" "to straight" to become "un-gay" is ridiculous because they aren't toggled states of being.

[afronova1127]

Re: Homosexuality.

I actually have heard of bi people having a preference for one gender but still liking the other, the purpose of a label is to enable comprehension but in my opinion 3 main labels and other side labels can't be used to describe the sexuality of everyone, personally I think that a person cant be 100% (your sexuality here) its just whether in your lifetime you are able to access and accept those desires but a lot of people either choose not to, don't realize it or don't believe it

[poulice]

Re: Homosexuality.

The easiest way to see it is from a range of 1 to 100. Most heterosexual people are around 1-20, bisexuals would be around 40-60 and gay being 80-100 (and everyone in between). This means that a gay person could find someone of the opposite sex attractive but that dosen't mean that he is attracted to them. Although, in some EXTREME cases, a gay man could fall in love with a women even if he's a 90 on the scale. This would be EXTREMELY RARE and but it could happen. But that doesn't mean that if you're gay you could go from a 90 to a 20. What they do is suppress the 90% of them that are gay and only let the 10% that is attracted to women show. Most people who do this end up unhappy because they cannot be who they really are (even if some claim to be happy).

[Tracelight24]

Re: Homosexuality.

Wow you guys are really intelligent.

Im going to post what i think in a general way that will contribute to this discussion.

I think being homosexual can be a choice, but it could be genetic as well. Maybe genetics could make you lean towards one type of orientation, but I dont think genetics can determine if someone is completely gay. (or lesbian, etc.) If you choose to be gay because thats just how you feel, than that decision could of been affected by genetics, yet, it could just be some kind of influence from your life.

Then again, when I think about it, even just feeling gay has to do with your brain, and possibly genes, which is only sensible.

And to stay on topic with what we are discussing right this instant, I would say that it is possible to range from different levels of homosexuality.

[mqpippin]

Re: Homosexuality.

(This is what I've learned so far in life)(Yes I Am)

1) Homosexuality is a "choice" in the same way that an Alcoholic has a choice of whether or not to drink.

2) The "Choices" one makes in ones life should only be made by the person making the choice.

3) If you choose to stop drinking because you hurt the people around you, and yourself, you've probably made the right choice.

4) If you choose to "Be Straight", met a nice woman, get married and be "normal", make sure that's what you want or you might hurt her.

5) People who have never had to "Choose" to "Be Straight" should not wonder why I never had to "Choose" to "Be Gay".

6) If all I need to be cured is to find "the Right Woman", then all any straight man needs is to find "the Right Guy".

7) Repressing your sexuality is just as dangerous as flaunting it.

8) If you aren't being who you are, you're just being who they made you be.

9) Whatever God or faith you believe in, you have to believe that we were created to enjoy life, not suffer; what Mother gives birth to a child to create misery?

I spent many years hating all Christians because of the mental anguish that I went through growing up from childhood through young adult. It was only when I quit trying to force myself into "the World's Ideals", that I was able to be happy and quit hating.

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The most important thing I've every learned is the Wiccan Rede "And ye harm none, do as ye will."

The part most people forget, is that "ye harm none" means yourself as well......

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If you want more details as to why "being gay" is "normal", I can only share my years of experience. Just ask, I'll talk. Otherwise, I'll be quiet now.

[poulice]

Re: Homosexuality.

Those are some pretty strong words and I agree with you near the end but the part where you said that homosexuality is a choice just like and alcoholics chooses to drink that be a bit hurtful. Yet it isn't the worst comparison I've heard. Anyway, gay mostly don't choose to be gay, they choose to accept themselves and be happy with who they are. It's all a matter of love. Gays have the ability to fall in love with the same gender (in love not just like friendship love). Probably nobody can choose who they fall in love with, and that is what makes love so good. The person just chooses to accept the love they have for the other person and maybe act on them. An alcoholic, on the other hand, will drink for reasons that are something far less special than love for another person. They are addicts. Gays are not. So your orientation is not a choice, accepting it is.

But everything else in that you said, I agree. I just wanted to clear that up.

[afronova1127]

Re: Homosexuality.

number seven was the best
"repressing your sexuality is just as dangerous as flaunting it"

[Rubin0]

Re: Homosexuality.

i love how you straight people think you know what youre talking about, im gay and trust me, you cant turn me straight, people who think you can turn straight are retarted and the ones who claim to be transformed are lying. its also not a choice, the only choice with homosexuality is whether you accept it or not.

Here are my two cents in regards to that statement:

It screams ignorance. Being gay does not make you an expert on homosexuality. If we were having a conversation about racism and a black person merely said "I'm black so I know more than you about this subject" I would consider that argument inadequate. Calling people retarted and liars does not help your case either.

I'm not arguing the validity of your statement...althought you supplied no evidence besides calling people retards....but the "I'm gay" statement holds no relevance to me whatsoever.
I am a lesbian, and I don't think that makes my opinions any more correct on this subject unless I can supply an intelligent argument.

I know you have since apologized for your wording, but I wanted to say something anyways.

/two cents

[lord_carbo]

Re: Homosexuality.

David Ricardo used farmers and landowners to show how market power is a result of scarcity. Basically, if the number of landowners outnumbers the number of farmers, the farmers will be able to pick and choose and set prices low. All of the farmers will likely get land (and choose the better land) because a landowner, considering transaction costs, would rather have someone use their land for cheap than have nobody use it at all because the marginal costs of having more land used is diminutive.

However, when there are more farmers than landowners, market power shifts. Now the landowners can set prices, and all of the land--good and bad--is used. The landowners can then set prices and they get lots of money. A farmer would rather have poor land than none with which to farm. And a lot of other farmers may be kept out of the market.

So basically, the more male homosexuals there are, the better for me. I really wouldn't mind if every single man out there were homosexual, so long as the majority of girls stayed straight.

[atalkingcow]

Re: Homosexuality.

David Ricardo used farmers and landowners to show how market power is a result of scarcity. Basically, if the number of landowners outnumbers the number of farmers, the farmers will be able to pick and choose and set prices low. All of the farmers will likely get land (and choose the better land) because a landowner, considering transaction costs, would rather have someone use their land for cheap than have nobody use it at all because the marginal costs of having more land used is diminutive.

However, when there are more farmers than landowners, market power shifts. Now the landowners can set prices, and all of the land--good and bad--is used. The landowners can then set prices and they get lots of money. A farmer would rather have poor land than none with which to farm. And a lot of other farmers may be kept out of the market.

So basically, the more male homosexuals there are, the better for me. I really wouldn't mind if every single man out there were homosexual, so long as the majority of girls stayed straight.

well..that would be great for you, but think about the straight girls.
I already hear all day about how "all the good ones are gay", imagine if they really were. (I would be happier)

[zhul4nder]

Re: Homosexuality.

I don't know if i should make a new topic for this, but it fits in this thread though...sorta..

Wouldn't homosexuality be entirely environmental? Think about it, if there was ever a "gay gene" (GG) since they almost never reproduce anyways, how would it be passed down from generation to generation? I read about Romans in the B.C.'s having homosexual relationships. The population of gays have remained constant (meaning they haven't disappeared completely) throughout human history.

It was also theorized in my psychology text that chemicals in the mother's womb affect some of the aspects of femininity in males. It also stated that identical twins have a much higher rate of both being gay.
With that being said, would the mothers now carry the "GG" producing these chemicals to make these people gay?

Just an idea :S

[Rubin0]

Re: Homosexuality.

Many people are born sterile. They don't reproduce. Yet, there are still people born sterile. How!?


400th post had to be a sarcastic one. Sorry :P

[atalkingcow]

Re: Homosexuality.

I don't know if i should make a new topic for this, but it fits in this thread though...sorta..

Wouldn't homosexuality be entirely environmental? Think about it, if there was ever a "gay gene" (GG) since they almost never reproduce anyways, how would it be passed down from generation to generation? I read about Romans in the B.C.'s having homosexual relationships. The population of gays have remained constant (meaning they haven't disappeared completely) throughout human history.

It was also theorized in my psychology text that chemicals in the mother's womb affect some of the aspects of femininity in males. It also stated that identical twins have a much higher rate of both being gay.
With that being said, would the mothers now carry the "GG" producing these chemicals to make these people gay?

Just an idea :S

Well...considering that most cultures have condemned gays to death, it seems logical that they would just marry a woman, rather than get hung/stoned/crucified/beheaded/all that good stuff.

And to be entirely honest with you, you can have sex with a woman successfully, even if you're richard simmons.

Also, the Roman homosexual relationships were quite complex, but you were expected to have a hetero relationship as well. Basically, it was, "we know you guys are having sex, but we'll choose to ignore it, as long as you have a wife too."
(at least as far as i understand it.)