God.

[Melone Marshe]

Re: God.

First of all, Spam +1 on all of you.
Second of all, I don't care what religion you are in, and I have no idea why you put forth and show other religions that have nothing to do with this topic. State your ideas on it.

And by the way, that lame statement? Excuse me? You are talking about one of the worlds most intelligent men. I think your problem is that he achieved more than you did. Sorry, but don't pick and poke at what he says.

Just because someone's smart doesn't mean they can't be wrong or come off as ridiculous to their peers - not to mention there's a difference between theory, opinion, and actual fact. And last I heard, everyone has the right to give their own opinions and theories in response to others' opinions and theories...why do you have such a problem with this?

Please try to keep the conversation civil, it's more fun that way. =/

[dandandamdandan1111]

Re: God.

this is soo true

[Coca Cola]

Re: God.

Hi, I Am Your God

[purebloodtexan]

Re: God.

So the point is, Hayate, that your friend has basically given no proof that a deity, and the belief of a deity or deities is purely based on faith. Can we prove that he exists? No. Can we prove that he doesn't? No. Can we change the way that millions or possibly billions of people live their lives? No.

Just because your cousin's statement sounds intelligent (to you, atleast) doesn't mean that it is intelligent.

There are two ways you might be able to change our minds just a little bit:
-Tell us how your cousin proved that there is a god. In fact, do YOU understand this at all? If not, why did you post this?
-Arrange a visit with God (Whether spiritually or him visiting your house) and tell him to bring from heaven the following items:
a) a harp
b) a tuft of hair from his beard
c) a yo-yo

[chunky_cheese]

Re: God.

Okay, so i've only read the first book of the bible and my stories are a little off, but here is some PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that there is a god:

- Family was supposed to leave a town of sinners (possible homosexuals) and god told them not to look back as he destroyed the town or they would be turned to stone. The mother of the family turned back and is still there today.

- Noah's ark is believed to be in a mountain somewhere, (not sure where but im guessing that it's a non-techtonic mountain or it would be false evidence)

- There is believed to be the garden of Eden somewhere in Isreal or soemthing, it is guarded by a giant god powered swinging axe that pwns all who attempt to get in. Also by the islreali government.

- The probability of a mass of stone and water staying aligned in just a way for so long as to support life is almost impossible. Especially before the entire universe breaks into parts too small for this to ever happen anyways.

- Circulatory systems, like seriously.

- DDR, only god could have thought of that one.

[Master_of_the_Faster]

Re: God.

-Arrange a visit with God (Whether spiritually or him visiting your house) and tell him to bring from heaven the following items:
a) a harp
b) a tuft of hair from his beard
c) a yo-yo

If you happen to meet god and your visit goes well and god does actually give you those items, I might believe what you say (only if there is something unusual about the items that only a god could possess [or else I might suspect that you lied]). This visit would be the only way to convince me to think any different about gods and religion because it would be the Only evidence. As for if god happens to be one that you could talk to and meet, I will still hold my feelings against your friend god if he doesn't satisfy giving life, liberty, and property to those who deserve it.

[HerrHeinrich]

Re: God.

Of course there's a God.

[plasmix]

Re: God.

Counter-logic:
God is said to be all good, all loving, all forgiving, etc. God created Hell, therefore God cannot be all good, and if God is not all good, God cannot be God. Therefore, God does not exist.

More logicky logic at http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm

[devonin]

Re: God.

You do see how that logic is nonsense though right?

God is said to be X, Y, Z.....

Just because some people say that doesn't make it the case. The people saying that could just be -wrong- which woudln't invalidate the existance of God at all.

[Coca Cola]

Re: God.

DDR, only god could have thought of that one.

I'm sorry but I have to quote you.

[jewpinthethird]

Re: God.

First of all, Spam +1 on all of you.
Second of all, I don't care what religion you are in, and I have no idea why you put forth and show other religions that have nothing to do with this topic. State your ideas on it.

And by the way, that lame statement? Excuse me? You are talking about one of the worlds most intelligent men. I think your problem is that he achieved more than you did. Sorry, but don't pick and poke at what he says.

No. You misquoted him. If not, prove it, I want to see a source.

Einstein's theory of relativity opened the door to the concept of spacetime, where space and time merge into one dimension. It's high level theoretical physics, the likes of which I don't understand. But I know enough to know that Einstein would have made such an incorrect statement.

Space, Time and Matter are important to use because those are the only three dimensions we are aware of and able to interact with. However, much of our understanding of the Universe has led many of todays top theoretical scientists to believe that there exist many more dimensions.

Also, what's with this Einstein Infallibility? His theories are almost a century old. Our understanding of physics has greatly improved since then thanks to our advancements in technology.

[fido123]

Re: God.

Counter-logic:
God is said to be all good, all loving, all forgiving, etc. God created Hell, therefore God cannot be all good, and if God is not all good, God cannot be God. Therefore, God does not exist.

More logicky logic at http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm

God is all good but punishing people is not bad. Not to mention you are generalizing that all christians belive everything in the Bible. I really only use the Bible as my sort of moral rule book. I'm not even joking when I say I carry the 10-commandments in my pocket. In my opinion we would have a much better world if people would take the Bibles advice.

However I don't belive in Adam and Eve and other such stories. I don't even belive in heaven and hell, I belive when you die your mind in non-existing. There is quite a bit of thought provoking statments that some sort of God (creator or helper of the universe) exists. Look at the brain itself and how complex it is to allow us to sense and think. The workings of the mind is the most complex thing that we know of and I find it hard to belive it happend by dumb chance along with ecological cycles.

[trillobyite]

Re: God.

Evolution does NOT contradict the concept of God. Francis Collins is a scientist who led the Human Genome project but is also a very devout Christian. He came up with the concept of Theistic Evolution, something I strongly believe in, and this is how it goes, quoted from Wikipedia:

"1) The universe came into being out of nothingness, approximately 14 billion years ago, (2) Despite massive improbabilities, the properties of the universe appear to have been precisely tuned for life, (3) While the precise mechanism of the origin of life on earth remains unknown, once life arose, the process of evolution and natural selection permitted the development of biological diversity and complexity over very long periods of time, (4) Once evolution got under way no special supernatural intervention was required, (5) Humans are part of this process, sharing a common ancestor with the great apes, (6) But humans are also unique in ways that defy evolutionary explanation and point to our spiritual nature."
If you see this dude Collins in interviews and debates with atheist scientists, he usually kicks the other person's ass.

I think Stephen Hawking wrote a paper once stating that black holes, in which the laws of physics no longer apply, can house a "heaven" and a "hell," and can very well be a base of operations for a God. Brain waves, emitted when we die, could travel to a black hole. He also stated that we can determine what happened up until the first 36th of a second using the Big Bang theory, but that tiny moment which would explain the origin of life can be attributed to God. I'm not sure about all that though, I only remember reading it from Scientific American but I don't know what issue and when it was written.

[Hollus]

Re: God.

Evolution does NOT contradict the concept of God. Francis Collins is a scientist who led the Human Genome project but is also a very devout Christian. He came up with the concept of Theistic Evolution, something I strongly believe in, and this is how it goes, quoted from Wikipedia:

"1) The universe came into being out of nothingness, approximately 14 billion years ago, (2) Despite massive improbabilities, the properties of the universe appear to have been precisely tuned for life, (3) While the precise mechanism of the origin of life on earth remains unknown, once life arose, the process of evolution and natural selection permitted the development of biological diversity and complexity over very long periods of time, (4) Once evolution got under way no special supernatural intervention was required, (5) Humans are part of this process, sharing a common ancestor with the great apes, (6) But humans are also unique in ways that defy evolutionary explanation and point to our spiritual nature."
If you see this dude Collins in interviews and debates with atheist scientists, he usually kicks the other person's ass.

I think Stephen Hawking wrote a paper once stating that black holes, in which the laws of physics no longer apply, can house a "heaven" and a "hell," and can very well be a base of operations for a God. Brain waves, emitted when we die, could travel to a black hole. He also stated that we can determine what happened up until the first 36th of a second using the Big Bang theory, but that tiny moment which would explain the origin of life can be attributed to God. I'm not sure about all that though, I only remember reading it from Scientific American but I don't know what issue and when it was written.

Well, Francis Collins seems to be a very reasonable and openminded person. Unfortunately, lots of people insist on the validity of their holy books, usually written thousands of years ago (There are exceptions, obviously. The Mormons come to mind.) in the face of logic, science and common sense. Some people believe that religion and science are completely incompatable, scientists and religious people alike. There are fundamental questions that science has so far been incapable of answering, and Theistic Evolution may be the answer of our existance and that of the universe.

However, I wouldn't be so quick to jump to the simple solution. Even if science doesn't have a plausible theory about the absolute origin of our universe (before the Big Bang), it doesn't mean they won't have one in the future. Even if you tie the concept of creationism and theistic evolution in with science, saying "We can't understand it right now, so God must have done it" isn't the best idea.

Finding a semi-plausible theory and declaring the case closing is just taking the easy way out. (But I still respect your religious openmindedness to science. No offence.)

[x6tence]

Re: God.

Counter-logic:
God is said to be all good, all loving, all forgiving, etc. God created Hell, therefore God cannot be all good, and if God is not all good, God cannot be God. Therefore, God does not exist.

More logicky logic at http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm

you have to be more elaborate on that.