pregnancy help...

[_A2P]

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Let's not turn this into an abortion issue.

[Tank101]

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Let's not turn this into an abortion issue.

I'm afraid it's too late.

Nothing else we can do now except watch as nothing happens and destruction is caused.

ps I hope the baby is born and kills the mother during childbirth. Then grows up to find the cure for stupidity.

pps Why am I posting? I'm really tired and this probably makes little sense.

[acknerr]

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Who ever said she would need a C-section? If things go as they should (which is most likely) invasive procedures will not be necessary, making childbirth the safest option. Not to mention abortion could be emotionally traumatizing as well, the whole guilt trip thing and all, having to live with the fact that her child never had the chance to live, etc etc, whatever else people tell her and shame her with etc etc etc...

It seems to me that the fact that she got pregnant in the first place would have gotten her enough trauma and guilt in the first place. If she wound up giving birth, the pain of that would probably traumatize her even more and then giving the baby away would create even more guilt. Abortion ultimately seems like the logical thing to do. No matter what happens, she will have gone through enough. Hey kentbball, seriously, I'm sorry to hear what your friend is going through. You will get through it though, just staying strong is the best thing for now.

[lbinator]

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abort the damn fetus, who gives a ****? I hate when people are all like " its a life too" no its not, ok? People kill **** with more life than a damn fetus everyday, I mean you don't hear people complaining if you step on a spider or something, get a grip.


EDIT: woah lost it there... basically I think the better thing to do would be to advise her to get an abortion because she's 14 and even if she thinks she knows what she wants she probably doesn't and if she does give birth that child is not going to have a very good life. It's not fair to the kid.

[MCRenaissance]

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Jewp, lock before Chardish.

[User6773]

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Actually, abortion is very safe nowdays

Wikipedia may not be the best source, but -

A 1996 study found that suicide is more common after miscarriage and especially after induced abortion, than in the general population.[44] Additional research in 2002 reported that the risk of clinical depression was higher for women who chose to have an abortion compared to those who opted to carry to term — even if the pregnancy was unwanted.[45] Another study in 2006, which used data gathered over a 25-year period, found an increased occurrence of depression, anxiety, suicidal behavior, and substance abuse among women who had previously had an abortion.[46]

Also, there's a syndrome called "post-abortion syndrome" (PAS)...

Two studies, looking specifically for PTSD (post-traumatic stress disorder) symptoms following abortion, were conducted in 2004 and 2005. The first surveyed 217 American women who had a history of abortion and queried them about symptoms they attributed to their abortions. Slightly over 14 percent had all the symptoms of PTSD which they attributed to their abortions, and over half reported at least some of the symptoms.[4] The second study examined ten cases of alleged PAS and reported that the criteria for PTSD were met in all ten. [1] Apart from the PTSD-specific symptoms, other symptoms noted in these studies were "repeated and persistent dreams and nightmares related with the abortion, intense feelings of guilt and the 'need to repair'." [1]

I'll find sources on the physical health effects later.

[Tokzic]

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sometimes people get sad when they abort

And I bet giving away your child after you get the natural motherly urges about it would be a hundred times as bad.

Or you could just ruin your life and your child's by keeping it. Much better, right?

ps chardish you're turning this into an abortion thread take it to ct

[acknerr]

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So basically, she's out of luck either way she goes.?

[Tokzic]

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Depends on what you mean by "out of luck". Yes, regardless of her course of action, she is going to go through hell. However, which path she chooses to take is up to her.

Abortion may result in some depression.

Letting the kid go to adoption will probably result in some depression.

Keeping the kid will likely blow her life completely.

Chardish, however, is being psycho-conservative and pressing his anti-abortion stance with some facts that really don't stand up and aren't even that relevant. She's going to be sad, you say? No ****. No matter what she does she is going to be sad. Her own damn fault for getting pregnant.

[Gamerchic14]

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give her a bit of date rape and use a coathanger.

But seriously, the baby is a bad idea. Accident + no father + young + no support = bad. Talk her into getting an abortion. If she wants it because "it's another living thing", it isn't yet, but it will be if she goes through with it and it will have a terrible life because of her.

Think about it.

It IS a living thing. The best choice at such a young age would be for her to have the baby and put it up for adoption. But if she doesn't want to then just be a good friend to her, and try and help her best you can.

[Kilgamayan]

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Also in before chardish

hehe

[User6773]

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I never said she should keep the kid. She definitely definitely definitely should give it up for adoption.

Chardish, however, is being psycho-conservative

I'm Libertarian, actually. Libertarians are divided on the abortion issue.

and pressing his anti-adoption stance

What? I definitely support adoption. Did you even read what I wrote?

[quote]with some facts that really don't stand up and aren't even that relevant.

Are you going to explain how or why my facts don't stand up or are irrelevant? Or is it easier to simply dismiss them?

She's going to be sad, you say? No ****. No matter what she does she is going to be sad.

We already agreed on this. And post-traumatic stress syndrome isn't really "sadness." It's more like "living hell." You should read up on it sometime before you argue that it's irrelevant.

Her own damn fault for getting pregnant.

Funny how left-wingers are supposed to be "compassionate."

Seriously, abortions should be mandatory for girls under 16 years old.

And so much for a "right to choose," too.

[D4rkAng3l]

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she probably needs to get an abortion because since she is in middle school and is 13-14 there is a chance that she might not live and the depression and stuff isn't helping her at all. if she does decide to have the baby then tell her to take the baby to a hospital, police station, etc. they did pass a law in 47 states that allows girls to send the baby to those places and still keep in contact with her kid.

[Gamerchic14]

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Abortion is murder in my point of veiw. If she does want to give the baby up she should give it to Adoption. But it's her choice.

[Tokzic]

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I'm Libertarian, actually.

gr8

Are you going to explain how or why my facts don't stand up or are irrelevant? Or is it easier to simply dismiss them?

Your facts thus far are two paragraphs of "if you abort you could get depressed".

You say you agree with me that she could be depressed to various degrees no matter what she does.

I don't know about you, but I'd prefer to risk the PTSD than the negative results of putting the kid up for adoption. When she actually has the kid, she will become attached to it, and then she will give it away and oh hey she's going to have a GREAT chance of getting depressed. Not to mention the kid is likely going to be depressed at one point or another. I know; my aunt, who is a great person and has a great husband, has adopted six children, and every one of them has been eager as hell to get away from them and seek out their real parents.

Real great. Excelllent alternative.

Also, she's only going to get PTSD if she actually considers it killing, which I don't know why anyone would.