Internet Piracy

[devonin]

Re: Internet Piracy

no form of currency in the world = fixing lots of issues

And creating far more of them. Goodness. An intermediate currency is absolutely vital for the function of society.

[popsicle_3000]

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And creating far more of them. Goodness. An intermediate currency is absolutely vital for the function of society.

the Smurfs' society fell apart after currency was introduced...

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And creating far more of them. Goodness. An intermediate currency is absolutely vital for the function of society.

true that, but i really like the idea of everybody just being nice to each other and helping. i know it won't happen in my lifetime. (or ever, probably)

I guess i'm kind of a hippy in that aspect.

[devonin]

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true that, but i really like the idea of everybody just being nice to each other and helping. i know it won't happen in my lifetime. (or ever, probably)

I guess i'm kind of a hippy in that aspect.

It has nothing to do with being "nice" and everything to do with being "fair"

How many chickens is a pig worth? How much fresh water is an Xbox worth? How many soccer balls is building you a shed worth? What if the guy who builds the sheds hates soccer?

Without an intermediate currency to convert your goods into so that you can exchange them anywhere you want, every exchange becomes either nigh impossible, or the result of massively complicated negotiations.

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yeah that's true.
If people weren't so hung up on being rewarded for their efforts then maybe it could all work out. Everybody pitches in and does their part to survive.
I understand how fairness comes into play, obviously one person can't be doing things constantly for people and receive absolutely nothing in return.

It's one of those things where unless it were what was happening today, we can't make a completely finalized solution.

[devonin]

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And "Everybody pitches in and does their part" is just as impossible to do in any kind of -fair- way.

Skilled labour that requires training and practice ought (I feel) to be valued higher than unskilled labour that requires no training and could be done by anybody. As well, how do you compensate people whose jobs, for example, are extremely physically demanding, or dangerous compared to people who are doing more mundane jobs?

This is part of the reason why, for example, professional athletes are paid so much. Part of it is how much money they in turn bring into the industry, but a lot has to do with the fact that to be a professional athlete in most sports, you have to have been dedicating a TON of time and money into developing the skills and physical characteristics to play at that level, pretty much to the exclusion of everything else. Then you only have an effective career of, in some sports, maybe only 6 or 8 years, and in most sports maximally 10 or 15, after which time you are essentially unemployed and lack any other skillset.

They basically need to pay you for a full 40-year career's worth of money in the 5 or 10 years you are productive at that job.

[devonin]

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And then one person buys the 320kbps version, and puts it up on a torrent site.

[devonin]

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Muscians are actually in some of the best positions to deal with piracy because they alone of most media, especially digital media, have a massive demand for live performance.

Iron Maiden recently made the news because they had an analysis done of where their music was being pirated FROM, and discovered that unexpectedly, they were absolutely MASSIVE in south america. So they went on a south american tour and sold out an entire tour's worth of shows and made way more money than they'd ever make selling CDs.

[Vendetta21]

Re: Internet Piracy

It is the question though, because if it's not wrong, the thing to do about it is "nothing" and if it is wrong, THEN you can talk about actions to take.

in no way does it matter if it is right or wrong, ethical arguments rarely inform consumption. i garuntee you the people developing anti-piracy schemes only care about ethics to the extent that it informs them what will outrage the public.

you are interested in convincing rational people to try to take up a voluntary set of beliefs and habits regarding a type of information transfer, but that is very different from surveying what is the best collective approach to the economics of goods with negligible reproduction costs when trying to maximize market sustainability.

[devonin]

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in no way does it matter if it is right or wrong ethical arguments rarely inform consumption.

Except that if you decide it is not wrong, you should be taking steps to ensure that it is allowed to continue, and if you decide it is wrong, you should be taking steps to ensure that it ceases.

This discussion is between us, as consumers of media, and never had anything to do with what businesses, corporations and producers should be doing to address the situation as it exists.

What you decide based on the ethics of the action is what leads you to decide what to tell the producers of goods what you think they should do to best serve you as their consumer.

[Vendetta21]

Re: Internet Piracy

Except that if you decide it is not wrong, you should be taking steps to ensure that it is allowed to continue, and if you decide it is wrong, you should be taking steps to ensure that it ceases.

This discussion is between us, as consumers of media, and never had anything to do with what businesses, corporations and producers should be doing to address the situation as it exists.

What you decide based on the ethics of the action is what leads you to decide what to tell the producers of goods what you think they should do to best serve you as their consumer.

i suppose if it comes down to a personal level then it turns into a calculus based on something like austrian economics, and a heavy focus on context

i really doubt you will ever be able to develop an axiomatic code of ethics that produces a boolean "right" or "wrong" in all cases because the ethics of these behaviors are really really muddled and unclear

[devonin]

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Because I was totally talking about the only possible outcome being a universally accepted rightness or wrongness of "piracy" as a blanket concept, and not at all about each individual coming to their own conclusion based on their own information and choices, and then acting accordingly.

[Vendetta21]

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then you accept there is a region that exists between right or wrong that where the thing to do about it isn't necessarily "nothing" but also isn't necessarily complete cessation of the behavior?

[Litodude]

Re: Internet Piracy

both of u fucks need to head back to CT


christ...

[devonin]

Re: Internet Piracy

No? I just don't assume that every person will universally pick the same option as everyone else.