MapleStory

[Afrobean]

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Ah, Maple Story. How I miss it~

I would love to play again, but unfortunately this ol' laptop can't handle it. Oh well! Did anyone here play in the beta? :]

Tosh and Squeek played in beta, but they're super gays now. Tosh might still play a little, but Squeek hasn't touched it in ages.

Also: I just did some preliminary maths and I think I've proven that Priest's potential DPS with SR is higher than Ice/Lightning's with Ice Strike, even if you compare the IL's Booster'd IS to Priest's SR. I've been wanting to make a "Priests are not inherently weak" thread at Sleepywood.net, and I could definitely use this as the cornerstone if I can pull more numbers out of it.

EDIT: for those curious, my math was a little off... I forgot to include amp into the system. So basically, IL with IS is A TINY BIT ahead of Priest with SR. I have a sneaking suspicion that the time it takes IL to cast booster makes up for this tiny lead, but I'm unsure of how to test for it, short of full scale formula testing. Right now, all I've been running is the skill's base in relation to the time it takes to cast. Basically, there is a thread at SW.net (or .info rofl) that has cast rates for all magician skills. It shows the rates in the form of the amount of casts that can be pulled off in a set amount of time. This gives me a solid comparison point. Thus, I just divide the skill's base by the amount of cast per time and it gives me a ratio of skill base to casts.

Ice Strike with elemental advantage and amp is 5.6599378881987577639751552795031.
Shining Ray with elemental advantage is 5.5263157894736842105263157894737.

(SIGNIFICANT DIGITS LOOOOOOL)

I guess I should run some deeper numbers on it to see the true effect that the cast time of Booster has on the value of the increased speed. For anyone with a Mage out there, what kind of time does it take with Booster's delay? Is it big, small, HUGE, non-existent?

[Fimbulvetr]

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I'm quite sure the mage booster skill takes a split second and the casting time of the time is very small or negligible like the booster skills for other classes. The effect of booster (which lasts 3 mins) would increase the dmg of IS over time, so that booster widens the gap between IS and SR.

Of course, with your godly equips, you'll probably kill faster than a Ice mage, but if the Ice mage had the same equips as you, they would probably kill faster than you.

[Afrobean]

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oh **** i must've made a mistake somewhere with my logical process, because I'm getting that booster-less Ice Strike is stronger than with Booster.

Looks like I am going to have to do scaled up damage per second formula comparison rather than straight skill base using numbers I have at hand. I'll have to manipulate the numbers to get the millisecond timing of it, rather than the cast per time rate.

[Squeek]

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Tosh and Squeek played in beta, but they're super gays now. Tosh might still play a little, but Squeek hasn't touched it in ages.

I uninstalled both gMS and jMS about a year or two ago.

I re-installed it once, played for maybe half an hour when a new map came out, then uninstalled it again.'

The only thing I kept were my screenshots.

[cooldude35]

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well yea i fixed it thanks for the help -.- and anyone play in windia?

[evilbutterfly]

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For anyone with a Mage out there, what kind of time does it take with Booster's delay?

Booster casts the exact same way Holy Symbol does. Takes just as long. Ropes affect it the same way. It's just as annoying.

As for your calculations, let me see what I get...

According to that thread:
SR casts 28.5 times per 30 seconds
IS casts 28.1 - 32.2 times per 30 seconds.

As we all know:
SR's base attack is 105
IS's base attack is 90

105 * 28.5 = 2992.5 base damage per 30 seconds
90 * (28.1 - 32.2) = 2529 - 2898 base damage per 30 seconds

So, without amp, SR beats IS in terms of damage. This is, of course, they're hitting the same number of monsters. Realistically, SR is gonna hit fewer things and cause the cast to take WAY more damage than IS. But now let's factor in the 35% boost of amp.

105 * 28.5 = 2992.5 base damage per 30 seconds (same as before)
1.35*(90 * (28.1 - 32.2)) = 3414.15 - 3912.3 base damage per 30 seconds

So yeah, amp rapes you. Even without booster, IS is quite a bit stronger than SR, and about 33% stronger with booster taken into account. Sorry Chris. =(

And just because I'm curious, let's see how Explosion stacks up (with amp and booster, the range is from slow to fast weapons):

1.35 * (120 * (17.5 - 20.5)) = 2835 - 3321 base per 30 seconds...

And Ice is supposed to be a weak and defensive element. =\ And priests are supposed to be support. =\

[Fimbulvetr]

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well yea i fixed it thanks for the help -.- and anyone play in windia?

I have a 67 hunter in windia, but im not going on for a few months due to college applications and stuff.

[Triplex72]

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I made a 41 Bandit over the summer. =/

I played in Bellocan though, so I could Ventrilo with my CC:S clan.

[Afrobean]

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Noah, I would expect IL to be stronger if they're the same, but the catalyst here was whether a IL could beat Priest when the Priest has elemental advantage and the IL is neutral.

Also, there's dragon that hits for 150 base every ~3 seconds. Should close the gap a bit.

And I was too tired together to do REAL maths, so I'll do it later. Right now, I just came on to say: Brandon wouldn't split Dreamy Ghost with me, because he gets "better exp" solo. I don't think he was thinking things through right, because most of the time he was bitching about how much pots he was burning. I guess he's used to having a MGless priest stand next to him while hermit pulls mobs toward them. Basically, we were killing at the same rate and he said he was getting 2% less per hour rate even though we were both on 2x exp and he had HS.

[banditcom]

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Yeah uh no way can get better solo. Exp/own kill is same amount with HS and 2 ppl of similar level than it is solo with no HS... rofl

But yeah for his level pulling is the best for him... :S He needs to be 13x.

[Afrobean]

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Yeah uh no way can get better solo. Exp/own kill is same amount with HS and 2 ppl of similar level than it is solo with no HS... rofl

But yeah for his level pulling is the best for him... :S He needs to be 13x.

Incidentally, I partied a 13x DK not long after that all happened. They were apparently new to it, but they split without a second thought.

EDIT: hi did maths and made thread at sw.net about magician dps. Long story short: everything I already knew is right, I just expressed it using numbers.

http://www.sleepywood.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1310216

[Afrobean]

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oh darn i thought I mentioned here how Brandon told me I should party with Fangblade if I wanted to split

oh well this screenshot is funny enough even with the explanation coming immediately before.



Incidentally, I think I was getting worse exp than solo. Krystalia had the left side, and her ISs were the same damage as my SRs. Damn levels... the one thing I have against me.

Also, when I left, they got some 9x Priest to come in rofl

[ToshX]

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Man, we're gonna have level 200's eventually :/

[vpr0721]

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Yo, what up Xqsite! It's me Kyle again, just droppin a post. I read every now and then. xD

[banditcom]

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Worse than solo my ****ing ass... lmfao