MapleStory

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Secondly, I agree with Noah. I'd rather not have a shared account as the leader.

You guys were fine with it before.

Actually, that was a bit of a failure to be honest. It would have been better if it had just been 6 of us in one party. Not only that, but we didn't have MM timed, and most of us wanted to see rog, but a few people who would be key to actually trying to fight the rog decided to stay behind at macis. In short, it was crowded and not as planned out as something with that many people should have been.

Want to know WHY it didn't work out exactly to plan? None of you LISTEN. You all wanted to do your own way. I made up an itinerary. None of you listened. You wouldn't listen to Pat. You wouldn't listen to me. You wouldn't listen to each other. So I said screw it and went with people who did listen and did want to do the things on the list, like Maci hunt.

It's a completely different thing if you know the person in real life and the only playing of each others characters takes place in the other person's presence or at their house or something like that.

It's still a shared account. Period. We don't know them in person. So how is it different in regards to others feel? Stop being a hypocrite again. You were somehow fine that Vash played on Kamoa's and was training him, yet it's somehow wrong for Pat and I to share one since we don't know each other in person. Does it matter? No. I trust him 100%, whether he was here or not. Even if I knew him in person, he could still fuck me over as much as knowing him online. Nothing I could do about it.

You're treating it as if I'm sharing it with someone who doesn't know anything about the site...

Whatever. I figured you and Noah would go this route again. It's only a matter of time.

Watch Noah be leader and kick people out of the guild for saying a racist joke.. hahaha

Yeah, but I know her IRL and can track her down.

See the thing is, Robby knows Pat IRL and vice-versa. Plus I know another 2 guys that know both of them IRL...


I just want someone who will LISTEN to everyone in the guild... And I really feel that neither you nor Afro will do that.

Again with the whining and crying.

Here's an explanation AGAIN for all those who choose not to give a shit when I explain stuff.

Pat + Rob = Best friends for 3 years
We went to school together before I left
We see each other all the time and hang out
gg.

A little something about Pat and I that nobody knows.

Despite practically the whole forums hating us at one point and a lot of people just showing a lot of hate towards me in particular.. we are NOT douche bags like half of you are on the forums and are in real life. I don't know about Afro or Noah or whoever the fuck you are but we DO NOT steal. End of story. We are great friends to anyone who wants to be friends with us (i.e: Jason) Which is why he is such a good guy, he actually took the time to get to know us properly and not just keep in mind that " everyone says they bs sm omg losers ".

Anyways, my rant is done and I'm fed up with the lot of you. Go ahead and make you're retarded guild with retarded ranks and have Afro and Noah as leaders for who knows why that is happening (cause it doesn't matter if Jason and Pat share accounts quit whining about it) I'll go spend my precious virtual currency and make a guild specifically for people who just wanted to be a part of a "Guild" and not what seems to be turning into a fcking cult or something.

[Omeganitros]

Why is it such a big deal on who the leader is? You all play the game frequently, I figure the only you would want to have guild is to have the name.

[Pumble]

Why is it such a big deal on who the leader is? You all play the game frequently, I figure the only you would want to have guild is to have the name.

Agreed, the leader won't be making any major decisions by themselves anyways, they'll just have their name at the top of the guild ranks and be in charge of promoting people and other minor crap.

I want to be an Imperator just because it sounds badass.

[emccky]

why is everyone making a big deal out of all of this? holy shit, take a poll and decide on a leader. Personally, I'd vote for Jason/pat because I know Jason, and am starting to talk to Pat more. He'd be a good leader because he's always on, and will always help with practically anything.

Seriously, this should have been like a 3 post long thing. Not a bunch of pages.

[Afrobean]

Why is it such a big deal on who the leader is? You all play the game frequently, I figure the only you would want to have guild is to have the name.

That's why I reccomended making a "FFRleader" account. That way no one would get the title.

Then, we could share the password amongst those of us who are deserving of doing anything involving running the guild and many people would be able to do it.

[OniSplitter]

To be honest, I wouldn't mind being leader, but from the looks of it a lot more people would rather have the position and would probably be better at itdue to their extreme devotion. Besides, being an FFR guild you would probably want someone who is a lot more active on FFR than I. I've been around FFR both before I had an account and on my other account for probably around 2-3 years, but I hardly ever post, and on this account in fact I have never posted out of the FFR section. Also here is something to consider. If we do decide on someone without 100 fame as guild leader, and it turns out to be a requirement, what are we going to do? Change leaders or fame/buy fame for that person? Either way I feel great that a few of you saw me as a potential leader, but it just seems that everyone else wants it more and are even willing to argue over it (though that may not be a bad thing, it is good for a leader to have a sense of power.) Finally I'd like to say this, when this is all said and done, and a guild leader is chosen, I think everyone should put all these arguements behind them and have fun with the game, I mean that is what it is there for anyway. If you guys don't we are going to have a guild full of people arguing non-stop about meaningless things such as "I should have been leader, I did such-and-such and don't do other things." If the guild turns out like this, chances are I will not stay in it for long. It seems pointless to me that you guys are even making such a big deal out of it, as said before. It's a game and all you get out of being leader is slight respect, slight power, and a high rank... With that being said, I should probably conclude this as it is becoming a rant and probably repetitve. I did'nt proofread this so sorry if there are errors.

EDIT: Afrobean, the only problem with a shared leader account, and though it is not a big one, is that if one person gets into a dispute with another and both are in the guild, in rage one may kick the other from the guild/lower his rank/do any other unfair action. Also (even less of a problem) we would have to level at least a little to get him to orbis to make the guild. Seems like too much work and too much room for actions of revenge to me, I'd say one clear-cut leader, whoever it may be.

[Afrobean]

Afrobean, the only problem with a shared leader account, and though it is not a big one, is that if one person gets into a dispute with another and both are in the guild, in rage one may kick the other from the guild/lower his rank/do any other unfair action.

I'd think that wouldn't be a problem, because as soon as the person did this, they'd be kicked from the guild or demoted by others. And, like I said, the password would only go to those who are trustworthy, so we wouldn't give it out to some random newb or even post it on the forums.

Also (even less of a problem) we would have to level at least a little to get him to orbis to make the guild.

Not a problem at all. I'm sure it could be done within a few minutes.

Seems like too much work and too much room for actions of revenge to me, I'd say one clear-cut leader, whoever it may be.

Like I said above, the balance of power between others would keep anyone from doing anything rash like that. I think it's really better to have anyone who is trustworthy have access because this does two things: eliminates any sort of prestige connected to being the leader and ensures that if something guild oriented is needed, it can almost surely be done no matter who is on at the time.

[OniSplitter]

One last problem I see in the guld-leader-account suggestion. You said that if one person did anything that others found to be selfish and not in the best intrest of the guild with the account, that they would be demoted or kicked by other users with access to the account. You're forgetting one thing though~The pin number. Pin numbers can be changed with no additional information other than the Login ID, Password, and Current pin number. This means that anyone could change the pin at any time, as long as they had access to the account in the past. Also, I think I'm kind of looking to the worst-case scenario but from what I've seen in this thread in the past few days, I find it necessary.

[Afrobean]

One last problem I see in the guld-leader-account suggestion. You said that if one person did anything that others found to be selfish and not in the best intrest of the guild with the account, that they would be demoted or kicked by other users with access to the account. You're forgetting one thing though~The pin number. Pin numbers can be changed with no additional information other than the Login ID, Password, and Current pin number. This means that anyone could change the pin at any time, as long as they had access to the account in the past. Also, I think I'm kind of looking to the worst-case scenario but from what I've seen in this thread in the past few days, I find it necessary.

Good point, and if someone goes rogue and steals the guild (why would they do this anyway?) we could just make a new one and add all the old members but the one who went crazy. Problem with this is the wasted money (which, if this plan were to be used and this were to happen, I'd most likely willingly front the meso to reinstate the guild to it's prior glory).

And even if that happens, it wouldn't be hard to disable the account entirely. Whoever signs up the account would only need to change the password for the account using the private info (birthday, last name, whatever wizet asks for if you forget your password or want to change it).

So basically, there would be no reason for one of us to basically ruin the whole guild and leave it unuseable.

[ghost_of_eb]

A few things. 1:

People that Want to be Leader

Niikos (Nobody will vote for you)
Banditcom/Pat (He's gonna win)
YingYangTwin (FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS READ MY POSTS. See quote below)
Allanae (I think she was joking)
AfrobeanMage (He's obviously just giving people a hard time. Let's call it his Vote-For-Tass strategy)

And I'll say it again: I don't really want to lead the guild. I led the stupid KoL clan and that was a pain.

2: Arbiter - Imperator - Patrician - Plebian - Serf sounds coolest, and should therefore be implemented. Seriously though, only those of us in the guild will see these names, so in the end, it doesn't even matter.

3:

HAY GUYZ QUOTING LONG POSTS IS FUN!

Again with the whining and crying.

Whines and cries.

...he actually took the time to get to know us properly and not just keep in mind that " everyone says they bs sm omg losers ".

BS SM losers? I'm guessing there has been some brag board controversy about you too or something? I never read that section of the forums, rofl. I've kept an open mind about you, seriously. We adventured at cargos that one time and you seemed alright and I even gave you gloves. Don't act like I'm a mean person to you. The only reason you and Pat having access to Jason's account bothered me was because of things I've heard FROM JASON about your (plural) activities on his account. You found tobis with his sin and then gave them to yours, and Pat has done some retarded stuff like making a person take the ship to Orbis and back just for some ores when he could have gotten on the mule the whole time. I don't want the leader doing some dumbass thing with the money that guild members are giving to them.

4: On another note with the "whining and complaining" you talked about, let me stress again that I'm not whining or attacking people, I'm just looking at all the options. This guild stuff is a major investment for some of us. There are prolly 30 people that want in the guild, but I doubt that all 30 have the funds to contribute their part. The financial burden is gonna end up falling on those of us that have taken the time to get high levels and more money. I'll prolly end up paying for Adele's spot, at least, so I'm not gonna go rushing into this guild thing without thinking things through EXTENSIVELY. Lastly, I'd like to quote some things that you may have missed:

I'm not saying OMFG NO WAY BANDIT CAN'T LEAD, SCREW THAT! I'm just checking all the options out.

I know Noah. It's no hard feelings. It's just we all care about this game. XD

Recap: We're not whining or being mean, we're just putting lots of thought into the guild stuff and making sure we don't do anything stupid. The only people whining are the ones telling us to stop bickering about it, when really we're just talking it over. Well, Chris may be fussing a little, but that's just how he is.

5: As for the shared leader thing: NO WAY. It defeats the whole purpose of having the leader around to help. If there is a guild tax where some of our money is sent to the leader, I want the guy that is getting all those funds to be around in case I need some money loaned to me. I see the leader as a person who kinda helps us all along if we need a boost. The higher ranks within the guild will play that role, too, but the leader will be the number 1 helper, I'd think. Having some random newb account for leader completely kills that purpose, and it's more trouble than it's worth.

6: We need to go ahead and make a list of who all wants to be in the guild so we can find out how much we all need to contribute. I'm guessing we'll hold off on the emblem for now, so we need to just look at number of members and how much it costs to expand the guild to that size. Once we find out the total cost to have that many members, we can just divide the total cost by how many will join and that will be our expenses.

Since this thread is moving pretty fast, I think it'd be a good idea to have a new thread titled "FFR MS Guild info" just so we can make a list of who is in the guild and have it be on a 1st page for easy reference. The thread would be JUST for organizing the guild, and once it's finished we could either get a mod to merge the topics or lock the guild one. Some things to be discussed in the topic:

1) Who wants to be in the guild, 2) Who everybody votes for for leader, 3) Money everybody will need to pay and who is willing to pay for other people, 4) Rank names.

Whoever makes the topic needs to be able to edit in the player list. If everybody is okay with it, I'll go make the topic right now, but if you all wanna keep the discussion here, then I won't.

[gonzo4life44]

Whoever makes the topic needs to be able to edit in the player list. If everybody is okay with it, I'll go make the topic right now, but if you all wanna keep the discussion here, then I won't.

Please do.

[gowereinside]

Go ahead and make the thread, it would make things organized. If someone wants to say something not about guilds they will just get flushed out in more guild disscussion...

So though I dont have much say in things...make the thread. ^ ^

[ImEric12]

Jesus, you guys. You act like all of us would go insane and screw everyone else over... I can't see any one of the top tier players doing that, ever (top tier being everyone level 50ish or above.. maybe even down to 40ish.) We all trust each other, and we're treating this like it's something that it's not.

[Squeek]

Ps - 84.

I also decided that once black cats come out, I will get one and name it Kuroneko.

~Squeek

[Verruckter]

Still 34, but found my damned dark cross chainmail and sapphire earrings. They cost me so much, I'm almost broke. I'll skip the boots and weapon for this time (my spear is really powerful, so meh).