What keeps you using 3.95?

[iCeCuBEz v2]

Re: What keeps you using 3.95?

i cant ma on any other theme besides default sm 3.9/3.95

[foxeS_]

Re: What keeps you using 3.95?

I use stepmania 3.95 b/c Windows XP

[Brilliant Dynamite Neon]

Re: What keeps you using 3.95?

as for why the lag happens thats easy its lua
micro lagspikes are created by the smallest things, like when updating the score from AAA to AA which can be called resulting in a micro lagspike, oscarface and I have had conversations about these micro lagspikes many times, also a ton of themes use a ton of lua calling a ton of stuff from the engine making it heavier,
when I said that sm5 runs better than 3.9 its when I use my quadtest noteskin and my barebone theme compaired to the default 3.9 theme, because my theme has so little stuff its pretty light, same for ultralight, 3.9 uses so many images that it loads and put on the screen becasue there is no code to reuse just 1 image and change is slightly, like header is its own image for every single screen, like in 3.9 default is the basic fallback theme and is so bloated with so many unesesary files to redirect stuff to make stuff work, in sm5 we use the _fallback theme, a theme made for themes to be based on, and is light as hell becasue it has basicly no images aside from fonts and a few others like judgement also the stuff doesnt need to exist and we just use lua to make stuff we can reuse images with code and use quads instead making it a ton lighter, so while lua does make the game heavier it can also be used to make it lighter

That explains why I get better performance with Simply Love.

It's also probably worth mentioning that I recently tried out the 5.1 alpha build, with the entirely new noteskin and gamefield systems, and I ended up having to recalibrate my global offset because notes were consistently arriving early.

EDIT: Oh and I did see that last post Jousway, he just said before that he had played and heard from people on different setups, but apparently it doesn't hold true in all cases. Just being a doof as usual

[Jousway]

Re: What keeps you using 3.95?

i cant ma on any other theme besides default sm 3.9/3.95

there is a 3.9 default theme port in the works for sm5 https://github.com/ListenerJubatus/SM-ThreePointNine

[Mad Matt]

Re: What keeps you using 3.95?

Lua is a very efficient language, so maybe what happened before SM5...

All timing code in SM is, and always* has been, handled through C++, which is wildly faster than Lua. I'll echo what Jousway said in that inefficient/excessive Lua is actually one of the biggest causes of lag in SM5. It certainly lends a lot of flexibility, but it comes at a cost.

[Sidek]

Re: What keeps you using 3.95?

stepmania 3.95 its very simple to use and easy to find the screenshoots folder
stepmania 5 and the other stepmania builds lacks uni code fonts and that's the only shit it was never fixed since stepmania was released..

[AZVW_2]

Re: What keeps you using 3.95?

I use both 3.95 and 5.0.6, because the 3.95 version has higher FPS and more smooth than 5... But it don't have bar note skin for 3.95

[Brilliant Dynamite Neon]

Re: What keeps you using 3.95?

Actually, scratch that comment about the Alpha earlier. I just had the same offset somehow migrate to Regular SM5 after setting it in the Alpha...but it's now on-sync in SM5? When previously it wasn't?

I don't know, man, I don't how SM really works and it's been constantly dicking me over in tiny ways like this, all the way back to 3.9 when some unset-by-me global offset that made my simfiles offsync to other users magically reappeared no matter how many times I tried to get rid of it. (Thankfully the bullshit has calmed down since SM5)

All timing code in SM is, and always* has been, handled through C++, which is wildly faster than Lua. I'll echo what Jousway said in that inefficient/excessive Lua is actually one of the biggest causes of lag in SM5. It certainly lends a lot of flexibility, but it comes at a cost.

Well, then why is LOVE (an engine where game files are written in Lua) being used as a base for the proposed SM6? Wouldn't the problem be much worse?

Actually, it might not be. A major reason cited for using LOVE as a base is LuaJIT availability, and while I don't understand the specifics of it, it seems to absolutely smoke standard Lua in performance.

(sorry if this post is incoherent, I'm in dire need of sleep)

[Dizzy_Gear]

Re: What keeps you using 3.95?




Both of these scores I had to focus way WAY harder on trying to MA everything, much moreso than I've ever had to do with the 3.9/3.95 builds.
PS I <3 U Jousway



This is the reason why I play SM3.95 over 5.x. That kind of MA difference isn't just from suddenly skillboosting when I played them songs immediately one after the other. Not to mention on my monitor notes scroll much more smoothly on 3.95 than 5.x. I LOVE LOVE LOVE the customizability and general ease of use of 5.x but I can't score for shit on it. Everything suffers when I'm actually playing. :/

To be honest, I thought I was in a major slump because I had been using 5.x for a long time, trying to figure out why I couldn't play JS and other hardpain style songs. Then one day I saw that I had a 3.95 build (Mina's build ) on my exdrive and figured I'd play around with it. Lo and behold, everything was vastly improved over my scores on 5.x. I really wish that weren't the case because I really do love 5.x: it has such amazing and vast improvements. Not to mention dat Barebones by Jouseway. Still the sexiest skin for 5.x haha!

I use both 3.95 and 5.0.6, because the 3.95 version has higher FPS and more smooth than 5... But it don't have bar note skin for 3.95

None of the bar noteskins on here isn't something you like for 3.95?

[Gruzzly_Bear]

Re: What keeps you using 3.95?

Both of these scores I had to focus way WAY harder on trying to MA everything, much moreso than I've ever had to do with the 3.9/3.95 builds.

PS I <3 U Jousway







This is the reason why I play SM3.95 over 5.x. That kind of MA difference isn't just from suddenly skillboosting when I played them songs immediately one after the other. Not to mention on my monitor notes scroll much more smoothly on 3.95 than 5.x. I LOVE LOVE LOVE the customizability and general ease of use of 5.x but I can't score for shit on it. Everything suffers when I'm actually playing. :/



To be honest, I thought I was in a major slump because I had been using 5.x for a long time, trying to figure out why I couldn't play JS and other hardpain style songs. Then one day I saw that I had a 3.95 build (Mina's build ) on my exdrive and figured I'd play around with it. Lo and behold, everything was vastly improved over my scores on 5.x. I really wish that weren't the case because I really do love 5.x: it has such amazing and vast improvements. Not to mention dat Barebones by Jouseway. Still the sexiest skin for 5.x haha!







None of the bar noteskins on here isn't something you like for 3.95?

you tried the waveout fix? dramatically improved fps and acc for me

just go to preferences.ini in your appdata/stepmania 5/save folder and change SoundDrivers= to SoundDrivers=WaveOut

also maybe try switching renderer to d3d

[kommisar]

Re: What keeps you using 3.95?

oh update


if you have more than one edit for a file and you delete one of them

it deletes both


lost 2 hours of stepping because of this. it's great.

[Dizzy_Gear]

Re: What keeps you using 3.95?

you tried the waveout fix? dramatically improved fps and acc for me

just go to preferences.ini in your appdata/stepmania 5/save folder and change SoundDrivers= to SoundDrivers=WaveOut

also maybe try switching renderer to d3d

Never knew there was a fix like that. FPS isn't an issue since I get 144fps due to my monitor refresh rate, thank the gods. I appreciate the tip! I will definitely be trying this tonight on my main rig (as I'm at work atm on a shitty asus laptop kb). If this fixes the timing issue, I'll def be using SM5.x much more, esp since customizing scroll rate has never been easier.

Plus I love sucking Jouseway's donk because of the Barebones theme. ;3

[MarioNintendo]

Re: What keeps you using 3.95?

oh update


if you have more than one edit for a file and you delete one of them

it deletes both


lost 2 hours of stepping because of this. it's great.

Did you check out the .sm.old file? Maybe it still has it as a backup?

[Dinglesberry]

Re: What keeps you using 3.95?

Did you check out the .sm.old file? Maybe it still has it as a backup?

That feel when you work in IT and you know for sure you could find the lost file and recover it before they have enough time to even tell you where it was saved originally.

Can I just get your computer number? I want to remote in and take a look at some settings Kappa.

[kommisar]

Re: What keeps you using 3.95?

.old doesn't have anything either. it has the edit's name but is empty

sm5 "autosaves" but nothing actually saved apparently lol