What keeps you using 3.95?

[tuxdude143]

Re: What keeps you using 3.95?

There's a bug where if you hit enter it will occasionally fail you from the song right away despite not holding the button. Also I noticed there was a no nomines option O:

There was also 1 other bug where changing from 1 options screen to another resulted in a black screen where you had to restart stepmania.

Other than that haven't found anything wrong with it, amazing theme. I always have thought the cyberia style themes looked absolutely incredible! Mad props to the guys who made it

also thanks again tux for some great responses! I have a couple of lame ideas for mods, but that's about it xD

1) Misses lower your lifebar the more often you miss, so not like upping life difficulty but just misses hurt more and more throughout a song

2) The higher you combo, the more it hurts if your combo breaks maybe not enough to kill you but enough to bring you to 1% after 1000 combo and then it resets to normal

While a last approach user is here, have you encountered any problems with last approach detecting new songs? It refuses to detect some packs for me

Also, I personally quite like the idea of misses increasing in weight the more they rack up. Means that people can't just mash through a song or something. I may see if I can add that as an option in a personal fork and see if it works well

[icontrolyourworld]

Re: What keeps you using 3.95?

I haven't played enough to notice that o.o

[awychong]

Re: What keeps you using 3.95?

While a last approach user is here, have you encountered any problems with last approach detecting new songs? It refuses to detect some packs for me

Yeah, I've had it trip over a few different files in the past, such as #SELFIE. I suggest going into your logs and looking for errors with ScreenSLoad overlay.lua to see what it has problems with.

[Kyzentun]

Re: What keeps you using 3.95?

If #SELFIE is showing up with a blank title, it's because # is not actually allowed inside any field in the sm or ssc file. Stepmania has to check for the title coming up blank and fill it in from the folder name.

[tuxdude143]

Re: What keeps you using 3.95?

I guess it just comes down to the cyberiastyle team not being the best at programming. Hopefully it gets fixed at some point.

[Dizzy_Gear]

Re: What keeps you using 3.95?

There are a few reasons I don't use SM5, mostly scoring issues. I play much much worse on SM5, hitting a lot more perfs and greats than I do playing on SM3.95. It's just a really really weird feeling. Going from 3.95 to ssc, I had very little trouble and honestly, I actually play BETTER on ssc than I do on 3.95, which is why I still have ssc somewhere on my hard drives.

Personally, I couldn't care less about most of the other features that have been added if it doesn't make playing the game easier to read and getting better to play the most difficult of songs.

Also, just like Ziemniax, when I play sm5 full screen, when I alt tab out at ANY resolution, not just his, sm5 fucks up beyond playability and I have to either alt+f4 or ctrl+alt+del and forcefully close sm5 in task manager on a Windows system. The issue was present in XP when I played it on XP and it's also present in W8.1, which is what my current laptop uses. I prefer playing SM in full screen and sm5 just doesn't allow that when I do many other things in the background while also playing sm5.

Not to mention there just isn't any themes that really catch my fancy. Ultralight is good as a nice basis for me but outside of that, only Jousway's theme is something I'm REALLY interested in. > Dat sexy 8bit! <3

I also dislike the position of the combo/fantastic area. It totally fucks up my reading skills when I'm playing dumpfiles and I'm like nop can't see but I think that also goes back to what I previously said about getting used to the program, which I shouldn't have to do. I never had to get used to accuracy and timing when I started playing 10 years ago; I just had to get better. It's a really weird transition, like going from DDR Extreme to DDR X2 arcade machines: TOTALLY different feelings. And honestly, I didn't like the feel of DDRX2, just like how I don't like the play feel about sm5.

It's hard for me to justify playing a program that will give me A's on songs I KNOW I can DDP AA/near AAA on some of the more clusterfuck files I play.

I'm also surprised people still play CyberiaStyle after CyberiaStyle3. Everything after CS3 just doesn't look or play good and the newest looks ugly as all hell. o.O

edit: I also haven't tried the newest build yet so I will be doing that after I get situated from moving from one state to another. Don't get me wrong, I WANT to love SM5 because it's smoooooooooth but features isn't something I'm interested in nearly as much as it's the playing experience itself. And I just didn't have the time to constantly experiment with many things when I already have a program that works perfectly fine for me. Now that I have no job (yay unemployment...-_-), I should have some time to actually play around with features and shit.

[awychong]

Re: What keeps you using 3.95?

I guess it just comes down to the cyberiastyle team not being the best at programming. Hopefully it gets fixed at some point.

I'd say it's more a case of not testing enough edge cases as opposed to simply being bad at programming.

Strangely, the file worked fine on my earlier setup (before my hard drive crashed). I'm not sure what changed.

[Candor]

Re: What keeps you using 3.95?

ill be happy if the -glass- 3.95 theme was ported to SM 5 uwu
With some modifications of course related to lack of difficulty number display beyond 20, and lack of song banner in multiplayer :>

[tuxdude143]

Re: What keeps you using 3.95?

I never had to get used to accuracy and timing when I started playing 10 years ago.

The only reason you didn't have to get used to accuracy and timing 10 years ago was because you were, as I have bolded, starting out. You didn't know of anything else at that point which means that you had nothing to transition to in the first place.

With sm5 that is a little different as most players will have used 3.95 before, hense some transitions have to be made with getting used to new stuff. With improvements come changes and in turn comes new stuff. An element of getting used to something new has to be involved and in the end there isn't much we can do about that except removing the changes (which would just in the end make sm5 pointless as it would just be 3.95 under a different name).

Now, onto the timing thing. Have you tried changing the offset? There's a tool that allows you to change the offset up based around your timing in the settings which may help.

Have you tried the combo under field options? That could help with your problem of reading difficulty. I will pass on the idea of a IIDX like combo counter movement system though.

And for that bug you mentioned, if you could pm me your pc specs and all that then it would be much appreciated.

[Kyzentun]

Re: What keeps you using 3.95?

I also dislike the position of the combo/fantastic area.

I'm going to plug my own theme here just because it's a ton easier for me to make stuff like combo/judgment position configurable in it. Other themes don't have the menu tech that I built in lua for setting arbitrary config values. (though ca25nada does have the config file tech in spawncamping-wallhack now)
Consensual has player config options for moving the judgment, combo, and notefield around. (though notefield only goes up and down because I haven't decided how to handle the case where someone sets their config as P1, then later loads that profile as P2). For myself, I stuck the judgment above the targets, and that seems good.
The theme metrics for putting the combo/judgment underneath the field don't really help much for me. Making them less obtrusive and huge did help a lot though. Before I started my own, I used to play with Hide Judgment in every theme just because having it at all did more harm than good, and the noteskins would show explosions colored by the judgment anyway.

[icontrolyourworld]

Re: What keeps you using 3.95?

So let me ask, is it really hard to port over old themes? To me it sounds like it's so easy to make a theme for SM5 that it would make sense to just port them over really fast. I mean all the sounds and graphics are readily available, and the only thing you'd probably have to change would be the option menus if there's something that just has to be there, like supported game modes. I know the ports are being worked on, but just askin

And actually can we add a jumpstream mod o.o Kind of like how there's echo, big, skippy, etc.

I don't think this was answered so I'm still curious about it. Since theming is so great on SM5 it should be a breeze using the graphics and sounds from old versions of stepmania. And if the whole LUA scripting thing is easy it shouldn't be that hard to like place all the graphics on the windows they need to be in relatively similar the previous versions counterpart. And then wherever needed add some mods and options or take away mods and options.
And for the most part if worse came to worst just change the in game graphics while you're actually playing, the lifebar, footer, and judge/combo.

[Renote]

Re: What keeps you using 3.95?

50% Distant

[lurker]

Re: What keeps you using 3.95?

random thred revival
i got back into pad play last month because i got a new CF control box from precision. naturally i tried using sm5 first because hey, it worked for keyboard right? however, the control box is a little crappy. it tends to dc for a split second if i hit the up arrow particularly hard, and usually it's not even long enough to force a miss... on openitg, which i am now using. when i was using sm5, however, the game would lag for about half a second every time the control box dc'd. this was enough to make me fail out of some 10s/11s i could pass without issue on any other setup. of course you could be a deflecting little shit and say "well that's your fault for having a bad setup" but to me it's a good indicator that sm5 is taking up way more resources than is necessary

[Jousway]

Re: What keeps you using 3.95?

but to me it's a good indicator that sm5 is taking up way more resources than is necessary

meanwhile I got better preformance on a pentium 3 using sm5 instead of 3.95

[TC_Halogen]

Re: What keeps you using 3.95?

but to me it's a good indicator that sm5 is taking up way more resources than is necessary

meanwhile I got better preformance on a pentium 3 using sm5 instead of 3.95

and you're an outlier, your point

SM5 runs like garbage for me too, fwiw - that's one reason why I won't move over, and it's a shame because I -love- Prim/ca25nada's themes, but the game is unplayable and I get nowhere near the performance that I should be, both with the game and with regards to scores