FFR Suggestions

[foxfire667]

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I don't want to be given the illusion that I'm good at FGOs when I'm not. One of my favorite things to do on FFR is try for new FCs I wasn't able to get before and that would be a pointless effort if raw scoring becomes the new thing. I don't mash out FCs for the most part so each new FC proves to me that I'm getting better.

It's not a good argument I know, but it makes sense to me.

How would raw scoring give you the illusion you are good at FGO's or higher? If anything, combo scoring gives people undeserved rank boosts and the illusion of actually doing well.

Raw scoring doesn't defeat the purpose of getting FC's, but instead takes away the ridiculous weight that combo has on your rank. It would also make full combos actually meaningful skill wise, considering you would have to full combo with your best PA to obtain them in your FC bar (meaning Quickdraw and Here We Go would actually mean something).

If you don't mash FC's, then this will have very little effect on how you play FFR. The only difference it would make for you is that your average rank would improve, and you could focus on accuracy instead of combo. Considering that this is a rhythm game, how well you move to the rhythm should really be the most important factor in how you are ranked.

[ReikonKeiri]

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Still doesn't change my mind. Also because I've mashed the FGOs I'm bad at enough to get good ranks on all of them, I'd have to replay all of them to get better raw score which would not be fun in the slightest. Those files hurt my hands.

[Zakvvv666]

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While I have some FGO's mashed to have better ranks even though I didn't FC them, I would still prefer to go back and play them over time and improve my raw score, sure the files aren't fun to go through, but after doing so it would better reflect your real skill.

[dragonmegaXX]

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+1 raw scoring. It would be interesting to see my new levelranks

[foxfire667]

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Still doesn't change my mind. Also because I've mashed the FGOs I'm bad at enough to get good ranks on all of them, I'd have to replay all of them to get better raw score which would not be fun in the slightest. Those files hurt my hands.

Good ranks that, you have to admit you probably don't deserve, and have taken away from those who actually play the files properly. I was going to pull up several examples from your level stats, but it doesn't seem like you actually were able to full combo a lot of the harder Guru or higher difficulty songs. I guess top 200 on VS boss battle with a 156.75.0.115 is still pretty stupid, and top 300 on Pants with a 311.206.0.643 is even more hilarious. Do you really feel these scores should be ranked so highly on a leader board for most accurate arrow smashing? Even when they overshadow much more accurate scores like 10.0.2.1's or 18.2.1.4's?

You not being an amazing player has no bearing on why combo scoring should be kept, such a notion is pretty selfish to even mention in the first place. If you aren't good enough to do well on these files, you should get better until you are able to do so. You shouldn't be rewarded for doing terrible on files, and you certainly shouldn't hinder others who can do well with these sorts of scores.

PS:

Do you honestly believe that if you were to mash an FC on this file, that this run should be significantly WORSE than yours? Do you believe that others who play accurately but miss should abandon accuracy and mash away to "improve their skill" on files? I genuinely hope not.

[popsicle_3000]

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PS:

Do you honestly believe that if you were to mash an FC on this file, that this run should be significantly WORSE than yours? Do you believe that others who play accurately but miss should abandon accuracy and mash away to "improve their skill" on files? I genuinely hope not.

as much of a traditionalist I am, you have a very good point here

[ReikonKeiri]

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too much rage itt. that's a fairly ad hominem post so I'm just gonna say I disagree with you and leave it at that. (i could get a fairly clean FC of vs boss battle I just havent got around to it. that file is abysmal. there is nothing I regret about my Pants score) I will say though that I don't care nearly as much as you do. If the guys in charge are taking a poll here count me down as 1 for combo scoring, but if FFR makes the change to raw scoring I'm not going to quit playing. Whatever happens, happens.

Any chance we could get a lag calibration feature? Offset isn't what I'm talking about, wondering if I'll ever be able to play FFR on my HD monitor that has about 20 ms delay

[foxfire667]

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too much rage itt. that's a fairly ad hominem post so I'm just gonna say I disagree with you and leave it at that. (i could get a fairly clean FC of vs boss battle I just havent got around to it. that file is abysmal. there is nothing I regret about my Pants score) I will say though that I don't care nearly as much as you do. If the guys in charge are taking a poll here count me down as 1 for combo scoring, but if FFR makes the change to raw scoring I'm not going to quit playing. Whatever happens, happens.

Any chance we could get a lag calibration feature? Offset isn't what I'm talking about, wondering if I'll ever be able to play FFR on my HD monitor that has about 20 ms delay

I wasn't really attacking you as a person, I was really getting at your usage of boos and combo scoring as a skill handicap. Either way, obviously neither of us are changing positions.

You are right, I do care about this a lot. I find combo scoring really defeats the purpose of trying to play accurately and skillfully (in the sense of hitting the arrows when you should be). I have always felt it was a serious flaw with the engine, and I hope it gets changed in the future.

On another note...
Are you sure it isn't just flat out game lag? I've never heard of the engine running fine but having a delay like that, but if it occurs then something should be done about it.

[Wayward Vagabond]

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with a delay that big its a monitor issue. check to see if theres a gaming mode on the monitor. also are you using a tv or an actual monitor? whats the brand/model

[qqwref]

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I'd have to replay all of them to get better raw score which would not be fun in the slightest. Those files hurt my hands.

So you're basically saying that, even though there are people who have more skill and can play these files more accurately and more easily than you can, you should have a better rank than them because you mashed through the file once and then forgot about it. Uh huh.

[bmah]

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Any chance we could get a lag calibration feature? Offset isn't what I'm talking about, wondering if I'll ever be able to play FFR on my HD monitor that has about 20 ms delay

That doesn't sound like lag, but rather latency. If it's something like late input from your keyboard to the actual hitting of the arrows on the screen, then it's a hardware issue that you'll have to deal with yourself.

[ReikonKeiri]

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It's a TV, some random insignia. There is no game mode, and there's ony enough delay to be noticable on rhythm games. Ill get like 100 goods on a song I could SDG.

and crying cause you missflagged a song and ffr says mashers are better than you is not a good argument imo. I've missflagged songs before to. It's not an occurence solely to plague the elite of FFR. If you can get 0-0-1-0 on a song and you can't get at least 2-0-0-2 the next play there's something wrong.

also this gathering opinion that I only like combo scoring because Im a masher is starting to get out of hand. I have over 1000 FCs and only have 6ish truly "mashed" FCs. Jeez, that has nothing to do with it.

edit: I used the term "lag calibration" because that's what it's called on Guitar Hero. I don't know how hard something like that would be to program, but I don't expect much since im probably the only person with this problem. the kb on my laptop is a bit better anyway so no worries.

[Wayward Vagabond]

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it'll be noticable delay on any game that requires precision like shooters and rhythm games. most tvs nowadays come with an option to fix the latency issue somehow and if not then you can either get an actual computer monitor. use the offset. or get a tv that actually comes with a game mode which reduces the hz from 120 or whatever your tv runs at to 60

[ReikonKeiri]

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It doesnt really affect shooters. The difference between an 80ms ping and a 100ms ping is unnoticable imo. Maybe cause I'm bad.

[foxfire667]

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and crying cause you missflagged a song and ffr says mashers are better than you is not a good argument imo. I've missflagged songs before to. It's not an occurence solely to plague the elite of FFR. If you can get 0-0-1-0 on a song and you can't get at least 2-0-0-2 the next play there's something wrong.

also this gathering opinion that I only like combo scoring because Im a masher is starting to get out of hand. I have over 1000 FCs and only have 6ish truly "mashed" FCs. Jeez, that has nothing to do with it.

Crying is hardly the word for it, I was actually impressed I did so well on the file. The problem is that getting misses are such a severe punishment in FFR, than a miss-flag is actually considered a terrible run by the game. I don't get how you cannot comprehend that logically speaking, someone who gets a 0.0.1.0, should have a far superior rank than someone who merely mashed their way through a file. My best on that file is actually a 4.0.0.2, but I would MUCH rather see my 3 good CLEAN improvement on ERB be recognized as the superior score, because logically it IS the superior score.

So you say the reason why you like combo scoring is not related to mashing songs?* You have done a terrible job of showing that in your arguments so far. Okay, please defend combo scoring without mentioning something that would cause your rank to be affected by having to PA instead of mash files. I personally would like to hear why you think combo scoring is a better mechanism for determining the skills of a player than raw scoring.

*Grammar issue corrected by ReikonKeiri.